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Post by troop on Jan 9, 2013 14:38:06 GMT 1
Symptoms/experiences symptoms similar to shivers any help advice suggestions thanks xx Sorry im popping in and out dont mean to seem rude been manic already this year im hoping things settle down soon.Hope you all had great xmas and New Year xx
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 15:24:07 GMT 1
Where I worked for a couple of years there was a horse with shivers. It would make him snatch his back legs up randomly. It can look like a threat to kick but it's not, it's like they get a build up of tension and snatching the foot up relieves it in some way. He was noticeably better when turned out more. I believe it's most common in draft horses but that's about as much as I can remember.
Oh and I heard (can't remember the source) that some horses symptoms appear to drastically improve on a high oil diet.
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Post by kizi on Jan 9, 2013 15:37:30 GMT 1
There was a friends horse years ago. Max turn out and regular exercise did help.. Once the vet was giving him antibiotics in his gluteal muscle and the muscle twitch bent the needle... He developed lymphangitis, I don't know if it was related.. But combined its a bad thing... Both creating an inability to move sufficiently when bad, the lymphangitis was his demise (not to be gloomy or anything sorry) But prior to that he was ok, he competed very well xc but his flat work and sj was never quite good enough, if that was down to shiver again I'm not sure, he'd knock poles often..looked careless sort of but tried his heart out... He was a cavalier (good sj breeding) horse, but he was bigggg.. Over 17hh He'd also sort of snatch the leg up and out but also not a threat, slower movement that a kick.. Diet was something they never focused on unfortunately.. He was fed a lot of hard feed and stabled too much before they realised the harm it was doing him.. He couldn't have a day off as the filled legs led to the lymphangitis, I guess if they get filled legs if stabled at night get out as much as possible.. I had a mare from there who had no shiver but developed lymphangitis as a result of over stabling, actually I know of another who also did so may not be related to the shiver.. Sorry prob no help after all that...
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Jan 9, 2013 16:56:38 GMT 1
I used to know a really really good jumping horse that was a shiverer. He was very fine, no draught at all, as far through as a tram ticket in fact. He was bought for hunting but the wife pinched him as he was amazing in the SJ ring and she didnt want him getting any knocks. Whilst out hunting he used to go very well except when standing still when he used to snatch his hindlegs a lot so we stayed away from his back end but he never kicked. The only management problem he had was whilst being shod he just could not hold up his back legs for long enough and so a system of ropes around his neck as a sling tied to his fetlock to hold it up so he didnt have to was sorted out for him. He didnt try to kick or anything he just used to nearly fall over trying to hold it up. It is classed as an unsoundness for vetting purposes but they do pass the vet as sound to continue at events.
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Post by curlytobiano on Jan 9, 2013 17:27:33 GMT 1
hi Troop. Not sure if this is relevant BUT we thought that Harry might have shivers, as when you picked up his hind feet to pick out or for shoeing, he would shake them and lift them high in the air. We actually discovered this was due to bone spavin (arthritis) in both hocks and he had to have an operation. So just to say that funny goings on with hind legs might not be shivers. PN - never seen that expression about a tram ticket before - what does it mean / where does it come from please?
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Post by troop on Jan 9, 2013 18:38:24 GMT 1
He does have an injury to his hind legs.He snatches sometimes not all.He also randomly starts to shaiver and shake.At first i thought it was cold,excitement etc but today he had a warm rug on he was cosy under it the sun was shining and his ears were warm and he just started to shake hind legs up to his bum and back he also totally refuses to back up these last couple of days except one step at a push. The vet said it sounds like shivers type symptoms but to get a video of it when it happens and bring it over. The horse is on loan and i have told the owner she says he has never had any health problems but he was not worked regularly plus was out in a field so nothing might have been noticed.He lives in my back yard so i see him a lot. Modified to say he also plaits his legs especially down hill sometimes stands very base wide but seems to have weak hocks. Im guessing i should just return him to the owner but i have done so much with him since i got him it makes me sad that he might go back.Im certain the owner wants to sell him but she wanted about 3grand for him. What to doooo
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Post by curlytobiano on Jan 9, 2013 21:27:47 GMT 1
Oh Troop, so sorry, is that your gorgeous spotty boy? You arent thinking of buying him are you? x x
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Jan 9, 2013 21:46:52 GMT 1
PN - never seen that expression about a tram ticket before - what does it mean / where does it come from please? Describes a very thin person (tram ticket is a piece of paper) and must be a Lancashire expression Im guessing
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Jan 10, 2013 11:45:51 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 11:45:51 GMT 1
I think you need to speak to his owners, if your vet sees a video and still thinks it's shivers, I think the owner should then be paying for a formal diagnosis. If he does have shivers he's not worth £3k. For anything over about £2k insurance companies require a 5 stage vetting and, as PN says he would fail one with shivers.
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Jan 10, 2013 17:23:24 GMT 1
Post by troop on Jan 10, 2013 17:23:24 GMT 1
I havent seen a horse shiver before. I have seen stringhalt and he does snatch his legs when picking out and sometimes just stood in field i had put it down to flies i havent noticed him do that for a bit but then perhaps i just stopped looking or noticing.But the actual shivering is quite dramatic. Can anybody tell me what they have seen with regards to shivering?If he was cold would he not feel cold? He didnt shiver today and the frost was thick and freezing this morning he had the same rug on and felt nice and cosy. I can only really find video of the snatchy legs on you tube but nothing with actual tremor/shivering like behaviour. Maybe its just a trapping of some nerve?? Although pressure or massage seems to make no difference it just carries on for awhile then stops. The vet seemed to think my described symptoms suggested shivers though. The owner will have to take him back at the end of the current agreement i guess or perhaps sooner. I would love to buy him but i cant have yet another crocker horse can i Presuming this is what is wrong it doesnt seem to be fixable either.
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Post by kizi on Jan 10, 2013 18:56:25 GMT 1
Don't think there's any cure for a shiver, the one I knew looked more like he was shaking in his back end rather than how a cold horse shivers... But maybe there's different levels.. It wasn't always obvious or constant..
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Jan 10, 2013 20:01:59 GMT 1
Post by Hannah on Jan 10, 2013 20:01:59 GMT 1
Snatchy hind legs was the first sign of arthritis for my old chap Harry. The farrier noticed and when being shod was the only time I saw that behaviour for a couple of years, the farrier suggested shivers. With Harry, when walking/trotting, his hind legs swing outwards staying fairly straight rather than moving straight and flexing at the hock. Watch your chap and see if this also seems to be the case.
I don't really know about shivers/shivering I'm afraid.
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Jan 10, 2013 21:30:39 GMT 1
Post by troop on Jan 10, 2013 21:30:39 GMT 1
Thank you guys x
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 22:47:33 GMT 1
I'd guess it's called "shivers" for the obvious reason although I never saw the horse I helped look after shiver like that.
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