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Post by Francis Burton on Jan 12, 2013 13:14:03 GMT 1
I wonder how much they spend on prosecutions? I must say some of the stuff I've read leads me to think they would be better spending the/most of the money on actually helping, educating and monitoring... They are, after all, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, not the Royal Society for the Prosecution of Cruelty to Animals!
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Post by Ally S on Jan 12, 2013 16:11:25 GMT 1
LawyerBunny wrote
'But when it comes to the RSPCA, I do feel strongly that it's a charity about which a LOT of questions need to be asked and answered'.
I agree. As I said, I have great concerns re the RSPCA and agree that we need answers to a lot of issues concerning their work/practices. That said, this thread is about the TV program Horse Hoarder, and what I feel to be unfair criticism in this instance based on the limited information and seemingly very biased editing of the program.
Can someone tell me how to quote others by the way? I get it wrong every time!!
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Post by Catrin on Jan 12, 2013 17:42:44 GMT 1
LawyerBunny wrote … Can someone tell me how to quote others by the way? I get it wrong every time!! First you click on "quote" circled red herewhich opens the Post Reply page here I highlighted the parts of your writing that I didn't want to quote and inserted an ellipsis … to show that you had said things that I left out.
You can remove anything between quote author=allys board=gh11 thread=125691 post=1613908 time=1358003485] and [/quot but don't remove what's between [ and ] as this will change the quote. Then you can add your own comments underneath.
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Post by esther on Jan 12, 2013 22:06:20 GMT 1
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Post by megnum on Jan 12, 2013 22:16:17 GMT 1
Crikey...I no longer know what to think. Hard to trust either party now, as maybe they aren't his? Then maybe they are!
Oh dear :/
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Post by mandal on Jan 12, 2013 22:16:58 GMT 1
If they are photos of the horses at the previous farm they all should have been seized immediately and then the current situation wouldn't have arisen. I am assuming RSPCA visited after the report...
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Post by varkie on Jan 12, 2013 22:27:58 GMT 1
The RSPCA were also aware of Amersham & went there many times over the years I believe, before the final outcome........
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Post by megnum on Jan 12, 2013 22:30:35 GMT 1
I find it difficult to believe that the RSPCA let him continue to have horses after this? Or is that just me?
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Post by mandal on Jan 12, 2013 23:00:34 GMT 1
The RSPCA were also aware of Amersham & went there many times over the years I believe, before the final outcome........ The thing for me is horses in that state and carcasses around is a no brainer. How can there possibly be any dispute that serious neglect and suffering is ongoing? Yes humans have rights but at these extremes they must lose them completely and imo immediately. At this level surely it is a police matter? ps. I still can't spell!
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Post by megnum on Jan 12, 2013 23:04:30 GMT 1
The RSPCA were also aware of Amersham & went there many times over the years I believe, before the final outcome........ The thing for me is horses in that state and carcasses around is a no brainer. How can there possibly be any dispute that serious neglect and suffering is ongoing? Yes humans have rights but at these extremes they must loose them completely and imo immediately. At this level surely it is a police matter? I agree, and as I said before having seen that they acted on his horses which didn't seem on the surface to be badly looked after, yet left horses in the condition shown on horse gossip...I don't understand. Hence my hesitancy in believing the pictures of of Clwyds horses...although if they are then I am happy to admit I am wrong whilst being hugely disappointed.
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Post by mandal on Jan 12, 2013 23:09:01 GMT 1
The poster says this was at another farm, I didn't see the programme nor do I know the story but I believe he was evicted from a previous farm.
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Post by megnum on Jan 12, 2013 23:40:19 GMT 1
Have searched for replies to this by the RSPCA and they said they have been involved for over 1 year in this case and a few other of their comments make me inclined to think these pictures could be false as I imagine the information would have been brought up by the RSPCA in defence. On the fb page Michelle has said she doesn't know anything regarding these belonged to Clwyd and they have been passed to his solicitor. I am quite interested in this case in all honesty as a lot of debate!
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Post by varkie on Jan 12, 2013 23:44:40 GMT 1
As Mandal says - the Horse Gossip links says that this is at the previous farm he was at, and got evicted from. Those photos date back 8 years. The RSPCA are not confirmed to have ever seen those, as far as I'm aware. Interestingly, this just popped up on my FB feed: "Heather Williams: Firstly it is good but well over due that this man is receiving professional help. I am writing on behalf of my cousin whose land it is Clwyd is SQUATTING on! We have been told about this page and I purposely have had my Granddaughter open this account so I can comment. I find it hard to understand how people can comment in so much detail about this situation when they do not know the bigger picture or the other side to a story.... I see no questions or support for the frail 80 year old man who has been bullied over the past 4 years while Clwyd has been on his land? My cousin and his family farmed for over 60 years at the farm/land. 8 years ago he moved out as he could no longer keep up with daily work/tasks. With no sons/ family to hand farm down to the farm it was quickly robbed and set alight by local teenagers/ thugs when he was not there. 4 years ago Clwyd and his people moved onto land taking all silage and machinery. My cousin to date has spent thousands on trying to remove this man but as you can image as an 80 year old man he is losing the strength/money and power to carry on. There is no question this man loves his horses but helping and supporting him to keep them is like feeding a drug addict. He has a proven track record of ill-treating horses – from Mostyn estates where horses were found dead and not wormed and to Wrexham where dead fouls and condition horses were found. Clwyd does not live in the wild? ? He travel around in his tractor and uses my cousin’s plant and machinery without his permission. I have read comments on here about people bring food for him etc… ? You will find him shopping at local supermarkets. There are two sides to every story and people appear on hear only appear to hear one. I hope this situation is resolved over coming months and Clwyd receives the help he needs and moves on."
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Post by Catrin on Jan 13, 2013 0:26:22 GMT 1
It seems rather odd that the poster seems new to the forum and anonymous. How on earth is anyone to know what these photos are of or where they were taken? There is another photograph, taken on December 18, 2011, uploaded on January 9, 2013, on what purports to be the RSPCA Flickr photostream. According to a Richard Partington, this is one of Clwyd's horses taken by the RSPCA, but the RSPCA visited early in 2011. Surely, had they taken away a horse, it would have been in better condition by December? Michelle Crowther made this statement an hour ago: Without speaking to Clwyd I cannot confirm whether or not they were Clwyd's horses. However I doubt it because there would have been evidence of a prosecution at this time and there is none. That the RSPCA were called and ignored such cruelty seems most unlikely.
The photographs and posts have been copied and sent to Clwyd's solicitor. It seems likely that they are evidence of a smear campaign.
However, I met Clwyd in June 2009 and have never seen conditions like that in the time I have known him. In Feb/March 2011 some of his horses were in very poor condition and needed some intervention. One problem was inadequate worming because Clwyd did not understand the different types of worms and how to treat them properly. We addressed this as quickly as possible and the condition of the horses improved. A further problem was the number of colts. We targeted these and brought them to the rescue centre for taming, worming, microchipping, passporting etc. In total 30 beautiful, healthy, useful horses and ponies were rehomed. Currently Clwyd has 22 horses which are in beautiful condition. We still have approximately 12 to catch and rehome, leaving Clwyd hopefully with less than 10 older mares and no stallion.
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Post by mandal on Jan 13, 2013 12:00:22 GMT 1
There is one glaring problem with supporting this man keeping some of his horses... he is apparently squatting! What happens when he's evicted?
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