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Post by bertie666 on Jan 6, 2013 16:40:36 GMT 1
Thats blinking insanity Just wait til the first time they do turn them out, and handlers get towed/reared with and then the horses spend hours galloping around wet muddy paddocks in glee, playing hard with eacher other etc then it will be 'turn out is dangerous' next
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Post by iceberg on Jan 6, 2013 17:56:33 GMT 1
You are all right, I am going to talk to YO, although I doubt anything will change - I cant even really go into many more details on here - suffice to say that I believe people should have a license to breed when clearly they dont understand enough about horses to even notice when they are distressed to the point of severe agressiveness.
Rant over for now, thanks for all your help.xxx
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Post by wills on Jan 6, 2013 19:19:43 GMT 1
That sounds horrendous, poor creatures must be bored out there skulls and no wonder they are having a go at Archie if he is getting out and about - he sounds like a gem to be ignoring that, mine would be having a go back. have to say tho if that had been me i would be moving if at all possible. Couldn't bare to see horses so stressed. Sounds like a tricky situation as are many things when it comes to conflict of opinions on horse ownership Good luck hope it all works out
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Post by iceberg on Jan 6, 2013 19:52:35 GMT 1
Archie is singleminded about getting into his stable, where a haynet awaits, and about getting out of it when he is finished , so no problems with him at all. This happens if i just walk through, regardless of whether he is with me or not - to collect my barrow, or headcollar etc. Moving yards is not an option, Ive been there almost 4 years and Arch is so settled there - it took me ages to find it, and tbh I love it there apart from this problem - all the other yards around here ( and ive been on most of them) dont offer anywhere near the facilities or benefits, so we are staying put. I will speak to yo and voice my concerns and take it from there i think.x ( or blow my top at snappy's owner ).xx
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Post by Mellymoo on Jan 6, 2013 20:21:40 GMT 1
As an interim, could you ask for a stable at the end so that you can miss all the snaking and aggression? Poor you xx
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Post by lisap on Jan 6, 2013 23:52:40 GMT 1
If it really is a possiblility that either you or your horse is going to get bitten, then I'd be making it crystal clear to both the YO and the owner of the horses that you are very concerned about injury and that you are giving them clear warning about the possibility of you/Archie being injured, and what are they going to do about removing this possible danger to you and your horse?
If nothing happens, you need to put in writing that you have expressed your concerns about the biting horses on either side of your stable, what you said and when you said it. Quite often putting something in writing will be enough to galvanise people into action. It doesn't have to be a snotty letter, just very factual and clear. Then, if the worst happens and you are bitten, that you then have written evidence of your concerns and your request that steps be taken to make your stable area and corridor safe for you and your horse to use.
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Post by janej55uk on Jan 7, 2013 3:10:12 GMT 1
Taken form Defra doc "Code of Practice for the Welfare of Horses, Ponies, Donkeys and their Hybrids" www.defra.gov.uk/publications/files/pb13334-cop-horse-091204.pdfExercise 3.1 Horses and ponies require adequate exercise, or freedom to exercise and this will require time and effort from the horse owner or keeper. Most stabled horses will benefit from daily turnout in the field to allow them to graze and socialise with other horses. This may have the added benefit of alleviating the risk of stable vices. If turnout is not feasible, stabled horses should receive appropriate exercise daily, unless contrary to veterinary advice. I wonder if quoting this doc to yo would help? or better still Snappys owner.
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Post by midgey on Jan 7, 2013 7:48:07 GMT 1
I would voice your concerns to WHW they may have some helpful guidance,or may arrange a visit. What this woman is doing is cruel.
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Post by iceberg on Jan 7, 2013 15:47:43 GMT 1
I spoke to yo this morning, voiced my concerns and explained about the 5 freedoms etc, they werent too concerned ( if thats the right word, just listened and made no comment) tbh, and again I stated about getting bitten and that the agressiveness was escalating and it was duly noted! I pushed it as far as I could without being rude, so I hope my point has been made.
Then snappys owners turned up and turned out all the horses - typical! But it was so nice to see them hare around and gallop about - so short term problem solved - just remains to see how long they are actually out for. xx
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 16:35:21 GMT 1
I'm glad to hear they've now gone out.
Although your YO's aren't horsey if the other livery(ies) is obstructing the entrance I'd complain to the YO on the basis of it being a fire risk, there should always be unobstructed exit routes.
I can't agree with marsay about non horsey YO's. I've come across plenty of horsey YO's whose standard of care is way below what I expect for my horse. I'm about to move back to a yard with non horsey owners precisely because they leave me to care for my horse as I wish without meddling.
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Post by mandal on Jan 7, 2013 17:05:42 GMT 1
Good on you Iceberg and I live in hope you've sowed a seed. I'm so glad to hear they're all out today.
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Post by smudge99 on Jan 7, 2013 17:40:11 GMT 1
Glad to hear they are out, I think you have the patience of a saint dealing with all of that. I know I would have exploded by now. Just as well I am not on a livery yard I would be the livery from hell I think!
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Post by cobmum on Jan 8, 2013 14:56:27 GMT 1
Do people think stables were invented before horses? No idea why people don’t ask themselves what a HORSE would want and what is natural for them.
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