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Post by bertie666 on Jan 11, 2011 16:18:17 GMT 1
sooo after spending all summer refencing winter field, i have had to separate from the girl whose name is on the rent for that field due to feet/welfare.
I have been frantically hunting for somewhere to rent and am having little luck. Aside from yards that dont turn out in winter (ours have been out all winter so 22 hours a day in a box isnt fair at all).
I found a DIY livery is £30 p/w not including hay or bedding that turn out on to turn out paddocks in the day but they have to come in on a night, in summer too!
4 1/2 acres for £200 p/m, advertised with field shelter but that is falling down and the roof leaks so of no use as a field shelter. The dividing fencing would need re doing and there is a caravan which would have to come out as its a hazard. Im not sure there arent gypsys squatting in the next bit so would be worried about that plus the water is extra on a metre.
Just been to see a lady with just under 4 acres and 2 stables which I was negotiating for £25 p/w. DIY and we would plan on being there for 2/3 months then going off for a few months to let it rest etc and use it for winter. The lady was a bit confused by this and I suspect could be a bit interfering.
So what would you guys do? And what do you pay for what you do do.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 16:39:57 GMT 1
How many horses are you talking about? 2 stables and 4 acres seems a lot for just Whinney!! MTA: At our yard it's £25pw for grass livey or £45 for DIY. I have 3 acres (split into 2 fields) for 2 horses who live out all year.
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Post by gordo on Jan 11, 2011 16:47:22 GMT 1
I think you could only expect to pay a retainer to the lady with the 4 acres if you plan to leave for a bit (your choice), thats prob what she can't understand. You are worried she may be interfering, its her ground so its her right to want to know whats afoot. Re the ground with caravan - well fence it off and repair the field shelter as best you can. If you have to move and don't want the rules of livery then its a case of doing whatever land owners want tbh. I hate it but I cannot afford own land so have to suck it up and get on with it!
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Post by bertie666 on Jan 11, 2011 16:48:34 GMT 1
hehe two horses, whinney and my other friends, the one which needs wraps!
How do you manage the ground so that it doesnt get trashed and do you still get grass in the summer?
I think the lady was thinking a lot extra cos of the stables but as we'd be doing everything, including buying in all the bedding etc I thought that was extortion! But then currently we are paying £5 a week per horse for 3 acres!
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Post by laurac on Jan 11, 2011 16:55:35 GMT 1
the 4 acres and 2 stables sounds great
4 acres is plenty for 2 horses (from memory i think the general rule is one acre per horse approx)
you can always section off some of the field with electric tape & plastic posts and rotate the paddocks so some can rest, i really dont think you would need to move for a few months
I used to rent 3 acres for my 2 boys who lived out 24x7
good luck
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2011 17:00:51 GMT 1
I have a winter field and a summer one, neither grows a lot of grass I think that's mostly due it it being Ashdown Forest which just doesn't grow much other than gorse and bracken. That suits me though as I have two barefoot good doers and would rather feed hay all year as then I can soak it and keep the risk of lami lower.
I move my hay hutch every couple of days to prevent poaching around that, can't do anything about poaching round the water trough or gate as they're not moveable!
Bascially I accept that my winter field will get muddy and will keep them on it until the ground is dry enough to stop them trashing the summer field. There are areas of the winter field that get quite waterlogged in persistent heavy rain - thankfully it hasn't been too wet this year but if it does get bad I'll electric fence off the worst bit until it dries out again (usually only takes a couple off days of dry weather).
MTA: I agree the 2 stables and 4 acres sounds good, I don't think you'd need to move off of it and after paying £5 a week you're going to get a shock moving anywhere!!
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Post by welly on Jan 11, 2011 17:11:41 GMT 1
You couldn't move them off the land and then back on again without continuing to pay the rent as that wouldn't be fair to the landowner.
Electric fencing is a wonderful invention and I am always amazed at how mine seem to survive on a very small patch in summer. It is rested during the winter though to recover from autumn poaching. You could also rotate by having a night time corral and a day time grazing area so they have a change of scene. Have absolutley no idea about prices as have own at home.
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Post by gordo on Jan 11, 2011 18:09:25 GMT 1
We have elec fencing but the FO doesn't like the idea of zapping horses so(at best) we have a pathetic one that runs of C batteries and is totally ineffective. Her mare just pushes thru any leccy fencing and they think thats fine but if G follows over then its a problem -aargghhh!!!
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Post by bertie666 on Jan 11, 2011 18:18:15 GMT 1
I'd said we'd continue to pay even though we wernt there which she didnt seem to get either! To me we are temporarily buying that land to do with (within reason obv) as we wish and as long as they get paid and nothing is broken/damaged, whats the problem?!
I think we are going with the 4 acres and two stables as I couldnt think of a way of reliably blocking the hose and would be so worried about the gypsies at the other place = /
Id rather not be on a yard, specially as there were a few children running around and you never know what someone else might do to your horse!
I think if we fence the field in half and rotate it so we dont kill one area too much, we can leave them to wander in and out of the stables as they wish so my friends has the option to lie down which she needs for her legs whereas I dont want Whinney shutting in unless no other choice.
Lol Michelle, I think £5 p/w is blooming ace, i wont be telling them how much everyone else charges!!!!
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Post by shammers on Jan 11, 2011 18:35:22 GMT 1
I usually have 2 smallish paddocks for the winter, one I keep for when the ground is solid so there are no ridges from the frozen mud and the other gets very muddy infact there is not a blade of grass in sight. Suprisingly come the spring when they move into the summer fields the grass comes back. I usually have it rolled once it drys out a bit and a bit of fertiliser. The last place I rented with my friend we just fertilised it by hand.
As tempting as it is to rotate them off the mud, it just means it all gets trashed for the summer. Mine come in at night in the winter to give there feet a chance to dry out. 4 acres is plenty for two horses.
The last place we had was £200 pm we had approx 3 acres and 3 stables.
Good luck with your move!! x
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Post by welly on Jan 11, 2011 18:43:59 GMT 1
It is completely amazing how a trashed winter field will grow grass again. It might need a bit of TLC but permanent grass will recover.
Gordo, I would have thought a good zap is the whole idea! Keeps them away from any fence and the risk of injury/pushing through, etc.
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Post by anastasia55555 on Jan 11, 2011 19:17:34 GMT 1
The last one with 2 stables and 4 acres sounds the best by far! I have just under 3 acres and massive field shelter, no running water or electric, and i pay £25 a week and then £5 a week towards new hay shelter i had put up. Its cheaper for us as we were paying 2x £15 for Apollo and Bobby, £20 for Toffee (as she had stable) and then friend was paying £20 for Tiny (thats all per week). You could split the field into two, use the one half, and when its starting to look rough and no grass, swap to the other side, youl be amazed how quick it will grow in the spring and you will have far too much grass for the 2 of them. If you have the stables i would consider using those over night, if your able to, would help keep the ground better for longer.
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Post by gordo on Jan 11, 2011 19:17:59 GMT 1
welly, they are totally pathetic! Bertie - I think you cannot assume that the FO will let you do what you want, in my experience they do like to 'oversee' everything you are doing so you do need to bear that in mind. Paying money doesn't make them any less interfering if thats the way they are!
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Post by anastasia55555 on Jan 11, 2011 19:20:40 GMT 1
Good point Gordo!
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Post by bertie666 on Jan 11, 2011 20:58:09 GMT 1
lol yes I suspect she's like that by nature! I made need a supply of valium!!! She's v posh too and my friend isnt so much im just hoping against hope they dont clash = /
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