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Post by monet on Jan 29, 2009 14:57:51 GMT 1
...funds are needed, Equine section have a number of people offering homes for these horses and pony's, here at QOLAS www.animal-sanctuary-devon.co.uk we can offer homes to two equines, but we don't have the funds to get them over here, £1.00 from 1000 individuals can save these pony's from a journey to there death. This is the newly named Freya, she is a trait type 15hh 15 year old horse that QOLAS has offered a home for life, here at the sanctuary in Devon. some funds have been donated already and pledged to help save her but more is needed before she is loaded up to go to Italy next week. also this is Forria she is a little mare who is in foal and also booked on to the lorry next week. again some funds have been raised to save her and a home in France is available for her to go to. Equine section is a not for profit group that is helping to free these equines of a long journey to there death. they are also supporting causes that are campaigning to stop the live export of equines. Please visit there web site and forum for more details on how you can help. and also please can i ask everyone to refrain from making negative comments. This thread is about helping these horses not about the politics of rescuing from France. (to which i am guilty of in past threads on this subject) Thanks xxx
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Post by melissa on Jan 29, 2009 18:27:46 GMT 1
I wish you all the luck in the world. If I had any spare cash I would gladly donate x
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Post by monet on Jan 29, 2009 20:26:15 GMT 1
I wish you all the luck in the world. If I had any spare cash I would gladly donate x Thank you for your kind words, dont worry i am breaking my neck to save these girlys. x
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Post by monet on Jan 29, 2009 20:27:08 GMT 1
pmsl...that sounds dreadful! i mean... dont no what i mean just thank you for thinking of them :@)
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Post by melissa on Jan 29, 2009 21:02:49 GMT 1
Its Ok I know what you meant!! lol I hope you suceed.xx
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Post by Ann NF on Jan 29, 2009 21:08:19 GMT 1
Hi Monet, We have just tried to send a fiver via the GOLAS pay pal account described on the GOLAS donation section on their website. Paypal says the GOLAS account is failing to accept money. Is this the right Paypal account? If not, who is money payable to? If Paypal won`t work, would a cheque made out to GOLAS and sent to you in Devon be OK?
Good luck with raising the money for these mares ( and the unborn foal).
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Post by mozann on Jan 30, 2009 0:29:33 GMT 1
Hi Monet, I too tried to donate to GOLAS via paypal but the account wont accept funds. I dont have a cheque book, do you have another account I can paypal into?
I really hope you manage to get enough money before it's too late.
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Post by gwenoakes on Jan 30, 2009 8:32:38 GMT 1
Unfortunately I am not in a position to send any cash Monet and after what has happened on here in the past I am honestly very wary too!
By the way, have you sorted the eviction out with the mortgage lender? As I understood the last I read you were looking to be evicted within days and you were not taking on anymore animals because of this. Apologise if I have got it wrong, but as I seem to think it was not that long ago. Middle of last year wasnt it?
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Post by Casper on Jan 30, 2009 8:42:34 GMT 1
I'm really sorry to say this but with the credit crunch etc there are numerous horses and ponies already in this country who need saving. Why import even more?
For £1000 you could save a far few of them. Only a couple of weeks ago there were some Welsh Section A's being sold for £65 each.,,
I am not unsympathetic to ANY horse needing saving, wherever in the world they are but sometimes you have to be realistic. You can't save them all and we have enough of our own in the UK needing help.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2009 9:05:10 GMT 1
I'm sorry, Monet, I know you asked for no negative comments but I would like people to be aware.
Some of the horses rescued previously have turn out to be quite easy. Others, though, are very wild, very scared, and extremely difficult to work with. I'm going to see a group next week, including a 15 yr old mare, heavily in foal, very poor as she won't touch "human" food and scared witless. This mare and the others in her group weren't bought by their current owner but the original rescuers discovered they had taken on more than they could handle and she has taken them in. There are others stories of these French rescues far beyond the abilities of their owners. It's often not a pleasant experience for either horse or owner.
I'm not saying to anyone don't help, if that's what you feel you want to do. But please do so with your eyes open. There is a lot, lot more involved for the horses themselves as well as the owners than you would think.
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Post by Tuppence on Jan 30, 2009 15:40:14 GMT 1
I know this DG is an incredibly kind and generous place and I know some of you will be wanting to help these horses. Can I just point out that QOLAS is not a registered charity and is therefore not bound by Charity Commision rules.
Make of that what you will.
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Post by KoLaTo on Jan 30, 2009 20:13:19 GMT 1
Sorry Monet but i am really confused over why you have had a sudden change of heart after your comments made before about people on here 'rescuing' French horses? I know you have pointed out that you don't want negative comments and are guilty of knocking the 'rescuing' on here before but seriously that is one huge change to go thru to my mind........ These are all excepts from your previous posts and yet now you are asking for money yourself for these ponies, £1000 ? As Casper said above, there are far more needy equines going thru the UK sales at the moment. Your comments below.................. i for one would still not donate to a committee if any old tom "@*£!" or harry came about to say they need to buy a horse to save it and wanted money for it
sorry to sound a bit thick but i have been reading about these two mares that have been saved from slaughter in France and cant find the original thread about them, why they needed saving etc etc, it just strikes me as a bit funny that money was needed too save two horses in France from a meat man when hundreds are fattened and slaughtered every day.
so please enlighten me as to why these girls are special
i am am not telling anyone how to donate there money just pointing out that many many equines need help right here in the UK.
OK we all no that horses cost money so why commit to something knowing you don't have the funds to pay for all of it and then hope that the horse does not have any illness or might NOT need a vet when it arrives.
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Post by gwenoakes on Jan 30, 2009 22:21:35 GMT 1
I have been looking back through threads on another forum Monet and am reeeeeeeeeally confused now. I am too thick to copy and past, so will type it out for you.
One member wrote:- Sadly, we can not save them all. We are limited by the number of horses that we can care for at any one time. However, as we find homes for the horses we have rescued, we replace them by rescuing others.
Thats a quote from the TB Friends website in the US....and its as true today as it always has been.
You see rescuing horses, or any other animal come to that, is like finding yurself in a lifeboat after your ship has sunk... you can sail around picking up survivors until your boat is full, then you have to stop. If you dont the first wave that comes along will swamp the boat and youll end up drowning everyone... including yourself, which was never your intention.
Your reply Monet:- this message is very very true, we can not save them all! and this is why i was very vocal about the rescues of hundreds of French equines last year, when so many needy equines needed re homing here in the uk. i have always been upfront about the fact we dont re home here at QOLAS. this is nothing new, this is what we do. and either you respect that this is how we do things or you dont feel able to offer any support. and this is OK with me, i wholly support the NSPCC and EMW to name a few, but i wont support overseas charitys.....each to their own.
Can I ask why you have done a total U turn please? Have I missed something?
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Post by monet on Jan 31, 2009 17:03:06 GMT 1
Unfortunately I am not in a position to send any cash Monet and after what has happened on here in the past I am honestly very wary too! By the way, have you sorted the eviction out with the mortgage lender? As I understood the last I read you were looking to be evicted within days and you were not taking on anymore animals because of this. Apologise if I have got it wrong, but as I seem to think it was not that long ago. Middle of last year wasnt it? Yes Gwen were all fine, the farm is in trust now so it will always stay as a sanctuary, we are just putting the final touches to our reg with the Charity's com and we will be heading some interesting campaignes and projects for 2009/10 so watch this space. The futures bright and the mistakes and heartbreak has been Lernt from, and now its time to move on and really start to make a difference to small animal Charity's in the UK. now were not so mixed up and stressed about money grabbing mortage companys we can focus on what we came to devon for and thats animal welfare! i am helping out with ES because the plight of these equines is very distressing and we plan to help (no matter how small our efforts) with the export of equines to Italy from France for slaughter. ES do do a fantastic job, over 450 equines have been saved from that journey, which for a small band of volunteers is quiet amazing. I will also be continuing with my efforts on the export of the UK feral pony's here in the UK. but thankfully this side of the pond is doing much better, even though hundreds of pony's are still going for slaughter, at least its in the UK and not on long 7 day journeys. we have a great many supporters now which is building, and some celebs which can only be a good thing in highlighting each cause as it comes up. we cant save them all but we can save some and in light of this we have a space here at the sanctuary in Devon, we have lost three beautiful equines to old age and illness the last 3 months and its only out of respect to them that we as trustees feel able to help give a horse or pony a better life. I had very mixed feelings last year on saving these French horses, and when i don't understand something i go out and research it to find the justification. If anyone wants to help i have two posters which need to go up in tack shops and the like, please PM me your email and i can send it over as a PDF file. also please take a min to have a look at the equines that need rescue, there are some riding horses and a stunning Breton gelding who would be perfect for driving. I no the euro against the pound is very high at the moment but these horses are chipped and passported, there only crime is to end up at meat farms. www.equinesection.com/
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Post by monet on Jan 31, 2009 17:11:07 GMT 1
I'm really sorry to say this but with the credit crunch etc there are numerous horses and ponies already in this country who need saving. Why import even more? For £1000 you could save a far few of them. Only a couple of weeks ago there were some Welsh Section A's being sold for £65 each.,, I am not unsympathetic to ANY horse needing saving, wherever in the world they are but sometimes you have to be realistic. You can't save them all and we have enough of our own in the UK needing help. The point Casper is equines in this country are faring a little better, as much as i hate it many are being slaughtered in the UK now and not so many are being shipped over seas, yes some are going over to Ireland and this is what we have to try and put a stop to. the journeys that these equines have to endure to Italy is harrowing. we have a lot of Charity's and society's all doing there bit here in the UK, its not perfect but its a start, there are very little Charity's highlighting the journeys these pony's in France have to make when the Farmer sells them to a slaughter house. if by saving some, the issues are raised and talked about, can only be a good thing. i had to get my head around the fact that these farmers are being fueled by us to continue doing it, but the process is slowing down, and thats through people like Debbie from ES. she has saved over 450 equines to date and that has to be respected.
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