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Post by jadehollinshead on Jan 2, 2009 0:34:00 GMT 1
when our friends got marley, he had to come over from ireland via ferry. he came over WITHOUT his passport... and he got in the country... now excuse me if im being dumb but... isnt it supposed to be illegal to send a horse over without its passport??? and .. arent they supposed to be checked??? hes now had to have a new passport... which is extra cost, because his irish owner wouldnt send us the passport!  so.. im wondering how he got over here without it ... |
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Post by mags on Jan 2, 2009 1:50:01 GMT 1
Having gone over to ireland with a lorry load of horses competing... nope they dont check. But they dont seem to much from europe either. One place we worked with had a warmblood arrive from holland with a very scary looking abscess thats had burst out right where you dont want abscesses appearing!
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Post by carol on Jan 2, 2009 6:28:26 GMT 1
Ah, now, this has been particularly bugging me for ages from a Horsewatch point of view. It's a fact that stolen horses and ponies are whisked off on a ferry to Ireland...not all of them, but some are, and we know this because they have been recovered from there....and nobody checks them and the ferry ports. I've spoken to the port authorities at Stena line and they say that it's logistically impossible to unload horses at the docks to check them and match them up with the passports and anyway, they say, they don't have the staff to do it.
Well yes, I can see their point about unloading and reloading horses, but surely they could employ somebody to at least look at the passports and horses in situ properly, I mean someone who actually knows a horse from a hippo. They do have people checking other livestock, cows for instance. I think if they at least did random checks it might make the horse thieves a bit more cautious knowing they just might be stopped.
Carol, on soapbox, at 5.30 am!!!
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Post by cosmo on Jan 2, 2009 7:10:35 GMT 1
Does make you wonder why we've bothered with them. The two horse sales near to me are actually passport issuing offices (as I'm sure many more are) - I wonder how many horses turn up on a Saturday morning without a passport and have one knocked up there are then. I was gifted a pony without a passport after the legislation was in place - I had no problem obtaining one for him, even though he was an older pony and legally speaking should have already been in possession of a passport - he could have been stolen but no questions were asked.
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Post by thelwell on Jan 2, 2009 10:51:18 GMT 1
Ah, now, this has been particularly bugging me for ages from a Horsewatch point of view. It's a fact that stolen horses and ponies are whisked off on a ferry to Ireland...not all of them, but some are, and we know this because they have been recovered from there....and nobody checks them and the ferry ports. I've spoken to the port authorities at Stena line and they say that it's logistically impossible to unload horses at the docks to check them and match them up with the passports and anyway, they say, they don't have the staff to do it. Well yes, I can see their point about unloading and reloading horses, but surely they could employ somebody to at least look at the passports and horses in situ properly, I mean someone who actually knows a horse from a hippo. They do have people checking other livestock, cows for instance. I think if they at least did random checks it might make the horse thieves a bit more cautious knowing they just might be stopped. Carol, on soapbox, at 5.30 am!!! comming out of uk to northern ireland we have been stopped twice had verified we was carrying said horse and passport. as for horses being stolen in uk then going to ireland thats a little harsh as they do get stolen over here and took over to the uk |
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Post by mags on Jan 2, 2009 10:53:09 GMT 1
Not harsh thelwell, just confirming the point there arent checks. Works both ways obviously
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Post by donnalex on Jan 2, 2009 14:20:39 GMT 1
They dont all have them in Ireland yet.
It is illegal to sell a horse in England without a passport but not illegal to buy one. So bringing them over here is fine as they were sold in Ireland where I dont think it is law yet.
Ive bought a few without passports and had to get them one before they can be sold.
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Post by lynette on Jan 2, 2009 15:27:14 GMT 1
All I can say is roll on 1st July when the law changes yet again and no horse is allowed to travel in a wheeeled vehicle without its passport accompanying it for whatever reason.
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Post by Louise C on Jan 2, 2009 15:44:46 GMT 1
Do you think it will be enforced Lynette?
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Post by wally on Jan 2, 2009 17:10:05 GMT 1
Well I for one will not be taking any passports with me when I move ponies from field to field within the same holding number.
However they will not take any ponies on the boat unless the passport comes with them. Mind you a friend bought a horse from a dealer, big 16hh horse dark bay. They sent a 13.2hh pielbald pony passport with him. Nobody looked.
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Post by horsey123 on Jan 2, 2009 18:29:30 GMT 1
Do you think it will be enforced Lynette? well it is iilagal to sell a horse with out a passport and i for one have got mey horses with out passports i think sadly not |
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Post by jadehollinshead on Jan 2, 2009 22:35:42 GMT 1
what annoys me the most... is marley had his passport over in ireland. and the previous owners simply refused to hand it over and send it with him.... whats the point??? what are they honestly going to gain by keeping it? apart from costing us even more money for a passport for him. hes all sorted now... after a faf roll on july 1st to be honest  |
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Post by carol on Jan 3, 2009 7:36:03 GMT 1
Thelwell, with respect, it is a fact that stolen equines from the UK DO end up in Ireland. However I do know that there is a two-way exchange of stolen horses between Ireland and the UK, and I know of somebody who's stolen gelding went across the Irish sea and back twice before he was recovered.
Jade, that's just nuts regarding Marley's passport, as you say, what's the point.
And yep, echo that, roll on July 1st.
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