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Post by jadehollinshead on Jan 4, 2009 16:02:15 GMT 1
im kind of in love with this saddle, its got soft tree so its like treeless, or is treeless? just a few questions really... are they ok for jumping?? would they be ok on high withered horses?? whats your opinion on the maker etc??  |
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Post by horsey123 on Jan 4, 2009 17:30:17 GMT 1
im kind of in love with this saddle, its got soft tree so its like treeless, or is treeless? just a few questions really... are they ok for jumping?? would they be ok on high withered horses?? whats your opinion on the maker etc?? i am sure heather her self will add to this post but they do i jumping saddle yes i use The vogue on a very hi withed TB with the necessary padding witch the fitter will advise heather is a wonderful rider/horsewoman and always has the kindest ways for the horse at heart and put that across in her saddles ;D  |
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Post by rhillahorse on Jan 4, 2009 19:22:40 GMT 1
I have the Dressage Vogue which I only dare jump teeny jumps in and a Fhoenix GP which I think I would feel better about jumping in. Tex has high withers, I think the Vogue has more clearance than the Fhoenix. They're really nice quality, well made saddles. Definitely worth the investment.  |
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Post by Bay Mare on Jan 4, 2009 19:48:31 GMT 1
Have a look at the Fhoenix website: www.fhoenix-saddles.com/index.phpBut, yes, they are ok for jumping in. The Fhoenix is available in GP and dressage, the GP being more of a VSD cut and the Vogue is available in dressage GPS (VSD cut) and GPT which is more forward cut and, therefore, suitable for people with long long legs and those of us who like a more forward cut GP saddle. The Vogue is better for high withered horses but it's best to get an agent to come out and see you so that they can advise you on your options Heather is great and has the welfare of the horse uppermost in what she does. She uses the saddles herself on her own horses and is very involved with their development and manufacture. She isn't someone who just puts their name to a saddle but doesn't necessarily use them on all of their horses like some people  |
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Post by Azrael on Jan 4, 2009 20:52:48 GMT 1
I've got an SBS rather than one of the newer ones, my coblet is bum high so Fhoenix doesn't suit her and not going to bother trying a vogue when I'm quite happy with my SBS and can't afford one anyway. I've jumped in my SBS, I don't find the position of the stirrup bars as helpful as on my treed GP for jumping (OTOH its flippin great for dressage/schooling and ok for hacking) but it is totally possible to jump in it. Coblet likes to do entertaining things like catleap, overjump and just generally get her overly large knickers in a knot and tank at jumps but its all prefectly sittable in my SBS. I did try jumping in my Fhoenix when I had it as well and it worked fine, I was perfectly happy with it and would still have it if it suited the pony. I've got a high withered TBxWB and my SBS is just about ok on her, I think I'm going to have to play with padding under it before doing any serious work with her but its ok. I used my Fhoenix on one TBxID that had proper withers with a backsaver pad under it and it worked really well (better than on coblet actually). The wither bit was fine for Mia but it was too flat for the rest of her back, but she was a bit lacking in muscle at the time and this was with the original flat prolite panels so her shape might be fittable (it is a proper word.. after a few glasses of red wine ) now. |
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Post by DebbieR on Jan 4, 2009 20:58:16 GMT 1
The original Fhoenix fits my daughter's high withered Hanoverian x TB really well but my Vogue also fits her well.
Daughter jumps in her dressage Fhoenix quite happily but would probably have gone for a GP if she competed over jumps.
Nurseys who make the HM saddles have done a beautiful job in my opinion and Heather has designed a fantastic product.
ETA: If you don't want to spend a lot you can get some good second hand Fhoenix saddles - I'd rather have a good second hand one than a cheap new one!
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Post by missmatched on Jan 4, 2009 21:18:51 GMT 1
I have a Phoenix, granted, my horse has no withers, so no help there, but, I do jump with it ;D and it is beautifully made |
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Post by heather on Jan 5, 2009 11:22:39 GMT 1
Yes Jade, the saddles are fine for jumping in- we have a number of riders who hunt and x country in them, as well as show jump. There was one rider trying out a dressage one in Germany, and he then disappeared over a 4ft jump that was in the arena, in a dressage saddle! Just took off the knee rolls, hoicked his stirrups up and over he went!!  We call them 'SoftTree' because they are much more structured than other treeless saddles, and the tree is replaced by layers of shock and pressure absorbing materials making the saddle feel much more like a treed saddle in width, but still giving the horse freedom of movement, and the rider still feels the movement through the saddle. There is nothing in the front arch that is solid, to impede the shoulders either, which is great for lateral work! Heather Heather |
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Post by alia on Jan 5, 2009 11:23:55 GMT 1
I have a fhoenix dressage model,older type.
I dont intentionally jump in it.but when my horse makes impromptu leaps I feel more secure than in my treed VSD.
Why dont you get a fhoenix agent out and triall one?
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Post by horsey123 on Jan 5, 2009 13:37:26 GMT 1
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