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Post by hazelhorse on Dec 25, 2008 7:17:56 GMT 1
I don't often comment on sales ads but this one really pulled at my heart strings. The way she is being ridden, in fact that she is being ridden at all when she is that immature, and she is jumping . If the poor thing continues like that I see her on the scrap heap before her bones have even matured. So sad, and the price tag.... disgusting!!! TOP BYEH PROSPECT . Showing a huge scopey jump Athletic uphill paces Exceptionally talented mare Will mature 16.1 / 16.2h, dark bay mare, 3yrs, Voltaire Bloodlines Exceptionally talented mare, broken and riding very nicely on the flat showing athletic uphill paces Just started jumping under saddle and showing a huge scopey jump with a very good attitude In the right hands this horse will go to the very top No timewasters please £7,500 ovno Sorry there is no link to this horse and I can't copy the photo acoss. She is on Horsequest under event horses BYEH section 6th horse down.
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Post by mags on Dec 25, 2008 7:23:45 GMT 1
Not one I really like, I prefer the look of danny
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Post by bramblesmum on Dec 26, 2008 9:54:41 GMT 1
To be honest the advert doesn't sound like she has been jumped out of her skin probably just tried to see if she can jump. I have less issue with a three year old being tried over a jump than I do a 2yr old being backed
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Post by wabuska on Dec 26, 2008 11:02:54 GMT 1
I don't see anything dreadful there I have to say. She's not competing or anything, just starting to jump. ??
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Post by Emily+Meg on Dec 26, 2008 13:14:49 GMT 1
Assuming she was born say may time, she would be over 3 and 1/2, might not choose to jump at that age myself but its not a huge thing, certainly not compared to a lot that other horses do.
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Post by wabuska on Dec 26, 2008 15:58:39 GMT 1
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Post by mags on Dec 26, 2008 16:02:37 GMT 1
Dont you just want to take that little guy home for trying so hard Kanga, at such a young age. He looks so honest, I hope he finds a nice home
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Post by wabuska on Dec 26, 2008 16:46:42 GMT 1
I know. Her honesty is heartbreaking. I emailed. Looks like settled travellers, so may be silly money.
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Post by hazelhorse on Dec 26, 2008 19:01:52 GMT 1
To my mind a horse should not be jumped at all until it is past four, as there is so much growing and developing going on. I would lightly back a mature youngster at rising four but do no more than gentle hacking and the like. Schooling and jumping should be for a mature frame if you want to keep your horse working and fit for many years and actually get the best from them. The horse in that ad is very immature, with lots of developing to do and is being ridden horrifically overbent so will not even be building strength from the work she is doing.
I think I must be unusual in this day and age, but for me, babies are that and should be treated as such. But then my horses are normally fit and competing at a decent affiliated level until their early to mid twenties, so I think I will avoid jumping three year olds!
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Post by melissa1787 on Dec 26, 2008 19:03:04 GMT 1
I wonder if one of us can take her on. That would be lovely.
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Post by mags on Dec 26, 2008 19:06:11 GMT 1
at that price I dont think there will be many volunteer's lol. Bad pic too you would think if someone wanted £7500 for a horse they would do pics to match
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Post by wabuska on Dec 26, 2008 21:15:44 GMT 1
Ehem... I think Mags is trying to sway me towards that filly! Naughty, naughty Mags!
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Post by daisysp8 on Dec 26, 2008 21:30:12 GMT 1
Ohhhh Kanga, how could you not be there breaking down the stable door already ..... ?!!
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Post by natalia on Dec 27, 2008 11:41:11 GMT 1
I have no problem with byeh as think that the whole point of it is correct training from backing. If you have prepared a young horse properly and proffesionally from day one than doing BYEH should not be a problem to them and is actually the perfect starter competition. Many top event horses have started at BYEH and are competing well in to their teens at 4* level, so it does them no harm. it encourages correct training and outline, as well as having inviting jumps and a progressive course, which starts small and gradually gets bigger throughout the season and through out the course in each class. the whole point is not to over face the horse or to scare it or over jump it but to encourage and build confidence. The maximum height in the 4yr old final is 90cms and its not a technical course. You don't get people entering who haven't prepared their horses properly, as they simply won't get placed and the standard is very high, and the horses being advertised here will be in training now, not having competed yet. If you have a good 3 yr old now is the time to advertise it for this class in prep to get ready for next season. I think as well what you have to realise is that the qaulity of these horses should be top notch, and asking them to do this sort of work should be easy for them, if they feel like they are struggling they shouldn't be doing the class.
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Post by hazelhorse on Dec 28, 2008 7:02:40 GMT 1
I have no issues with BYEH classes and see it as a good starting point for young horses of the future. The best young horses of the future will however probably be doing the classes as an experience stepping stone for the future, not as an end in itself. Many of the horses advertised under that section of the sales board appear to be aimed at that competition simply to push up their value to the seller now, not as a chance for the horse to go out and learn his job in a structured safe way. Certainly the ad for the filly I flagged, is for a a babyish three year old being schooled incorrectly and jumping when she barely has the muscle development for a little light hacking, and why? Because the owner wants to up the price to about three times what she is worth.
If I was to be looking to buy a horse for my daughter to event, which is the reason for looking at that section, I would certainly not be going down the route of buying any of those three year olds. I would be looking at an unbacked, or just backed and turned away three year old whose mental and physical well being had not been compromised. Then, if I felt that the BYEH competition would benefit him/her when the horse was four and beginning his ridden life I would enter. If the horse was immature and not ready I would leave well alone. Horses for courses I suppose, but I wonder why it is that there are so many ruined horses out there, some of which I do buy for my girls and myself as the talent is usually still there in amongst the debris of rushed training and shortcuts.
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