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Post by emy on Dec 20, 2008 23:46:01 GMT 1
pinklady,as far as I know my horse does not know the affair is over.I did not tell him off for his actions,did not smack him or shout at him,just easy easy and a calming pat.I dont dislike him because he is in pain or has suffered abuse,I think your missing the point.He was sold to me as something he is not.If I was told of his issues I would not have bought him.That is my gripe,and as for safe and sane-speak to my lacerated friend about that one..He wasnt your horse was he-you seem to know him better than me
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Post by pentaran on Dec 20, 2008 23:49:04 GMT 1
I dont think it is at all unrealistic to ride a new horse after five days, I would not wait neccessarily. He was at an auction for a reason but you listen to what you are told and ask questions. If he was used in a school ,is the address on his passport so you can do your homework and find a history. If you are right about driving then yes he will have worn blinkers and it could be a proble, a smelly mouth can also be a problem. You are obviously dealing with this by getting him checked. For those that blame the OP for not waiting longer to ride him, how on earth do you think you can insist on warranty conditions if you wait any longer, you have spent good money on what you hope is ok even if you know you are taking a risk. You wanted a horse to ride happily not someone elses cast off problem. get back to the auctioneer and tell them you want to return it. tell them you will contact trading standards under the sale of goods act if they are difficult. Your first port of call is them as you passed your money over to them. Good luck and hope you find a way out of the problem. Too many people get hurt by taking risks with horses that are just not suitable for them .
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Post by highlanderpony2002 on Dec 21, 2008 0:11:01 GMT 1
Smelly mouth smacks of a painful infected mouth so does his reactions. Once he has settled and had his teeth sorted he might well be a nice boy once again especially if he is given time to forget the pain issues or is taught you are not going to hurt his mouth. Sorry to hear your friend was hurt and I am sure you are doing the best you can for him even if the best for both of you is to send him back where he came from
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Post by mags on Dec 21, 2008 5:00:34 GMT 1
Im afraid if your buying from a sales from a dealer there will generally be problems, but dont give up yet. He sounds a sweety so the out of character behaviour when ridden must have a reason, its just finding it. How much did you pay for him?
ETA bless him for all his nerves and the fact he was obviously reaslly scared he didnt go broncing or anything as alot would- im sure he will come right as he gains confidence in you. Good luck with him
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Post by greyhorses on Dec 21, 2008 9:07:49 GMT 1
I'm not really sure the point of this thread and if you're asking for advice whether you should keep him or not.
From what you've said he sounds like a very scared horse who has a lot of fears. I would only advise getting professionals to give him the once over (EDT, chiro etc) and make your decision after that. If he's physically fine but needs a little/lot of work decide if you can do it or sell him stating this.
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Post by nikki on Dec 21, 2008 9:08:27 GMT 1
Hi emy, Sorry this horse hasn't turned out to be what you'd hope for. I suspect your new horse is probably feeling pretty insecure at the moment. Going through the sales can be pretty traumatic for a horse I would imagine and he now has a new mum and new home to get used to. Horses often take a good 3-4 wks to settle in to a new home so I wouldn't be unduly alarmed at this point to be honest. I totaly understand how desperate you are to get riding...I'm sure we all feel exactly the same when we get a lovely new horse. I wonder though, whether he'd benefit from some quality time with you. Maybe some nice long grooming sessions and leading out in hand coupled with a bit of groundwork? Getting the vet to check him over is also a very good idea as is plenty of turnout to let him kick up his heels and get to know his new equine friends. I wish you lots of luck with your new boy. Horses often repay our love and care with unending loyalty. xx
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Post by iammizz on Dec 21, 2008 9:14:06 GMT 1
i think u should maybe forget about about riding himand work on mounting, its not ended nicely a few times so to be honest ur adding to the stress, patience will prob go very far here, obviously get his back checked etc, but groundwork and trust will go so far rather than rushing to get on when u know theres a prob, good luck chick hes gorge =)
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Post by jackiedo on Dec 21, 2008 9:41:35 GMT 1
Whatever you decide, (and I can understand your dissapointment) I wish the very best of luck fr you both. If his back is ok, he has probably never been ridden and you have been lied to.How old is he?
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Post by emy on Dec 21, 2008 10:26:11 GMT 1
I was sure I would send him back yesterday,now im not so sure.After watching the amersham video I know he would go back into the dealer chain as the chap told me that if he knew he was like that he would have sold him to dealers and not private.This is a real tough one.He could turn into a beauty or he could kill me.If you were on deal or no deal would you gamble the 1p & £250,000?This is the chance I could be taking.I think I will get him physicaly sorted and if there is no improvement and he has to get over his issues(which I think he will),I may put him on the project horse site.No,he did not bronc or dissapear into the distance,but he did rear.Your advice is what I would be saying to anyone else putting up a thread like this.Teeth,back and saddle checks.There is a niggle in the back of my mind that there is more to this.When I ride if the numnah goes flat over the withers I pull it up so it dosnt get uncomfy for them.When I did this with him he shot foward.Maybe it is his back. I will keep you posted
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Post by emy on Dec 21, 2008 10:29:10 GMT 1
Im gonna be offline til wednesday so not being rude if I dont respond
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Post by mags on Dec 21, 2008 10:39:16 GMT 1
Its could be that he is just unused to this sort of thing. You do sound like your in a similar situation to me with Jack. i'm in a slightly different situation in the im not worried if he isnt a riding horse but we seem to have similar things to work through. ATM im just going with letting him settle and checking out what unsoundness issues with have to deal with. Lets face it with it been winter atm im just happy getting to know my horse and worry about what im going to do with him come warmer weather. Actually I have to say its refreshing to be able to get to know his personality without the pressure of schooling etc and setting goals.
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Post by Amanda Seater on Dec 21, 2008 11:32:56 GMT 1
I agree that if the horse is sold as a riding horse you have ot ride it pretty quick to see what happens so that you can claim on warranty
To be honest if pain isn't an issue I would say he is unbacked- so they lied. Start at the beggining. Ground work, All over grooming, patting allover , lean over back with arm in site of other eye etc etc Re start him as a youngster. Assume he has done nothing including being driven. You will soon see where he comes on quicker due to experience keep safe and good luck - Sorry he is not what you purchased. I find though with buying any horse even the "poshest" you have to be prepared for a total loss unless insurance pays up. Horses =gamble
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Post by pip on Dec 21, 2008 11:54:23 GMT 1
Ring up the auctioneers and see if you can return him under their warranty. They are usually quite good, although the information in the sale catalogue can be very carefully worded, for instance, if it says "hunter" it has to be suitable to be a ridden hunter, with all that implys, and also with a riding horse it should able to be ridden.
I don't think 5 days is a short time, if I bought a broken riding horse I think I would want to get on it very quickly. Is he used to being mounted from the ground? Some people only get a leg-up or from a mounting block.
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Post by indibindi on Dec 21, 2008 11:58:46 GMT 1
I don't have time to read all the replies, but just cos they said he was a riding horse at the sales doesn't mean a thing - he might not even be backed... I would assume he needs starting from scratch and go from there. You will need to take things very slowly (and don't go on what you have seen them do with him at the sales - the blokes (and women!) I have seen at sales can get on *anything* and stay on - but that doesn't mean a normal person can!)
can you get an RA out?
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Post by gingerloon on Dec 21, 2008 12:01:07 GMT 1
I have to say that buying something through a sales I would be expecting problems and issues. As others have said, genuine horses will be sold privately without any problems,or unless there are serious financial problems, they will be hung on to until a good home and price can be guaranteed. Buying something from a sales is a huge gamble and to be honest I dont' think I'd go to a sales looking for a produced uncomplicated riding horse, but more of a project horse.
I have seen your other thread and he does look lovely, you say he has smelly breath, having just lost a tooth through an abcess and still vividly remember the pain I was in, I think (and I'll get shot down for this) that it was a tad irresponsible to ride him or bit him at all until the EDT had checked his mouth out. Having said that I do understand the excitement of a new horse and wanting to try him out.
I thinkyou need to decide what it is you want, do you want to put the time and effort in for a possible project horse, or bite the bullet and see if you can return him. I think you need to make that decision clear in your own mind for the sake of the horse. As others have said, it coudl simply be a pain issue, but it could also be that the horse was buted and sedated etc on the day of the sale and, my initial thought from your post, was that he'd never been ridden, or backed on the hurry up without any care.
Good luck whatever you decide, its a difficult decision and disappointing for you
quick modify to add that the rearing does also point to mouth problems as wel, especialy if he's not bronching.
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