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Post by arabmania on Dec 18, 2008 8:38:23 GMT 1
asti has been stabled since monday. she is showing absolutely no signs of anything, anywhere. she is eating, complaining at being kept in, now begging to go out and looks her normal self.
The vet concludes that she was probably just having an 'off day' when she went off her food and was looking lethargic and im thinking he is probably correct.
I've been thinking of how the yo had said that she had seen asti 'playing' with the two,newish, young horses that have suspected strangles. (which is why she thinks she may have been nose to nose with them).
This does not describe asti at all. If anything she would have been chasing them away. She is a bit of a grouch with anything that invades her space in the field and i've seen her go for youngsters to whom she has no time for at all!.
Now if she was describing charisse that would have been an entirely different matter 'cause she is so maternal and an excellent nanny to youngsters.
So i am not convinced.
opinions appreciated. Can i breath easy but keep her well away from the suspected 2?
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Post by HeatherL* on Dec 18, 2008 9:11:11 GMT 1
I found this information leaflet about strangles. It says the incubation period is aproximately a fortnight however new outbreaks can occur up to three weeks after the initial outbreak. So technically I guess your not out of the woods yet. There's a link below to the leaflet I've been reading if you want to take a look. I do hope Asti is fine and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. www.intervet.co.uk/binaries/92_110200.pdf |
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Post by arabheaven on Dec 18, 2008 9:41:17 GMT 1
dunno about breath easy, but you might be able to breathe easy   |
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Post by Karon on Dec 18, 2008 9:50:02 GMT 1
Ooooh, I bet you are so dead when your mum next sees you |
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Post by arabheaven on Dec 18, 2008 15:49:45 GMT 1
that'll teach 'er for tellin' everyone I was breastfeeding demo baby ;D |
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Post by Garry on Dec 18, 2008 15:59:20 GMT 1
Has the vet taken any swabs/bloods?
Until you are as sure as you can be that she is clear. I would think the YO would like Asti kept away from other horses on the yard. Is there a paddock she can go in to keep her separate from the others?
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Post by arabmania on Dec 18, 2008 21:56:40 GMT 1
Has the vet taken any swabs/bloods? Until you are as sure as you can be that she is clear. I would think the YO would like Asti kept away from other horses on the yard. Is there a paddock she can go in to keep her separate from the others? Asti is stabled but not away from the other horses on the yard, although far from the suspected 2 cases. no there is no paddock that i can turn her into.... i have asked. My vet seems sure that she is very low risk and is not convinced that she has it. She was only off her food for one day and again the vet thinks that she was just having an 'off' day. He said he would happily swab IF she gets any mucous but his advice was to keep her in for a couple of days and if no signs and she picks up (which she has) then he sees absolutely no reason why she can't go back out with uninfected horses. |
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Post by arabmania on Dec 18, 2008 21:58:11 GMT 1
dunno about breath easy, but you might be able to breathe easy I knew the money spent on education would reward dividends in later life ;D |
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Post by ladynowak on Dec 18, 2008 22:31:29 GMT 1
I would have expected the horses with 'suspected strangles' to have had swabs/bloods done and I would have demanded that my own horse had the same done too. I think I would be asking the YO to demand the 'new horses' (if they aren't hers!) to have blood tests/swabs done, but thats just me  |
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Post by arabmania on Dec 19, 2008 8:38:39 GMT 1
I would have expected the horses with 'suspected strangles' to have had swabs/bloods done and I would have demanded that my own horse had the same done too. I think I would be asking the YO to demand the 'new horses' (if they aren't hers!) to have blood tests/swabs done, but thats just me I absolutely agree, however, the new horses belong to the sister of the yo (who apparently does some dealing). The sister has half ownership of the yard and can do, and apparently does, anything she likes. Including putting infected horses into a field with private owners horses  My vet cannot swab the horses without her permission , which according to the yo she will not give. Vet also said if asti appears with any of the symptoms then he can swab etc etc..., thankfully she isn't showing any signs. Theres more.................. the yard had a similar episode last year too  for exactly the same gawd darn reasons!!! unbeleivable. I am waiting for DEFRA to get in touch to see if they can enforce the sister to take responsibilty, have her horses swabbed and last but not least give them the care that they should be having! |
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Post by Caroline on Dec 19, 2008 16:26:01 GMT 1
Might be a good idea to take some preventative action... My two had strangles last year. One was treated with antibiotics and herbs,homeopathic Thuja and Vit C - she had cold-like symptoms and took a fortnight to recover. My gelding, being somewhat untouchable by strangers/vets, was treated with just herbs, homeopathic Thuja and Vit C. He had a big abcess under his cheeks- but recovered in a week. He was in more danger if anything. We were concerned that the antibiotics could force the infection inside him and become bastard strangles - thus the non-antibiotic route. I am not a vet though - so do take vetinary advice! I just put the natural remedies below for information and complementary use. The herb mix I used was... Calendula (Marigold) flowers, dried Yarrow Meadowsweet - good antibacterial and immune booster Echinacea - good antibacterial and immune booster Dosage - a handful of each herb a day, ideally spread over 2 feeds. The vitamin C was a high strength powder (popular with drug addicts, so you might like to tell the chemist it is for your horse!). I fed a teaspoon a day I also gave high strength homeopathic Thuja I didn't use these, but apparently they are also good for Strangles: Fenugreek and Garlic - fights infection When my two recovered, I gave the remaining herbs to a friend whose horse also had Strangles. The horse made a good recovery too. Whether or not you use antibiotics as well, I think it is worth using the herbal/homeopathic/VitC route too. It doesn't conflict and can only help - your vet will agree, I am sure. I hope your horse is ok |
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Post by arabmania on Dec 19, 2008 18:30:00 GMT 1
Thanks for taking the time to put that up Caroline. It is very kind of you. Have spoken to my vet again today and he is still convinced that as she is showing no signs and is eating etc etc.. that she has not contracted the illness. The new horses have been out with the others now for 5 weeks and my vet explained to me that given the time duration, and the amount of horses in the field, that he would of expected at least 6 or more to be showing the obvious signs of strangles by now.  so may not even be strangles. may be a simple case of a bad cold. Spoke to the yo this morning and she has changed the goal posts now to after the weekend for asti to go out So my healthy mare may possibly start snivelling over the weekend with all the dust around from her straw bed and end up with a snotty nose...... well i think you can guess the rest |
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Post by arabmania on Dec 19, 2008 22:13:59 GMT 1
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- got to the yard tonight to find asti in the next door stable . The bolt on her own door completely broken off! poor poor mare  She looked like she had sweated up at some point and was begging at me to let her out I can't stand this anymore and furthermore, neither can she. tried to get hold of the yo but kept going onto answerphone. knocked her door and no answer. no one else around to answer any questions! i am now looking to move her asap. I know she is healthy and have my vets opinion to conclude this. Poor girl is suffering so much at this 24/7 being in. a poorly horse does not react this way! |
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Post by ladynowak on Dec 19, 2008 23:12:21 GMT 1
Ill horses can and do act like that. My arab has been flat out acting as if he is about to drop dead and later that day he was literally trying to climb out of the stable. He wasn't a well boy and he still managed it.
Yes move yards, but make sure that they are well aware of the problems at your current yard and make sure you are quarantined for at least 2 weeks. You would never forgive yourself if she actually carrying it and you infected other horses.
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Post by mags on Dec 20, 2008 3:52:12 GMT 1
Just a note arabmania to be careful. My experience of strangles is that you can think you've got away with it then in pops up in other's
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so may not even be strangles. may be a simple case of a bad cold.
