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Post by sarahfox on Nov 29, 2007 20:55:16 GMT 1
Unbelievable!! If you still have a copy and Im sure you do,get in touch with the press straight away!
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Post by debutante on Nov 30, 2007 11:30:08 GMT 1
ahhh i just wrote a bit long reply and its just dissapeared so here go again please ignore any spelling mistakes im here rushing before my battery runs out on laptop and sneezing every other minute full of a cold!!
well lets say it was a tea boy - that is still disgusting but yes i agree on a different level as to if the reply was from an MP i still think if it was the tea boy they should take responsibility for there actions - i wont be treating them with kid gloves! -- when i left school i went to work as a junior at a solicitors and if i replyed to any email or form of comunication i would do this in a proffessional manor as this is what was expected of me as my job - but also as a working adult. Yes i think there may be a standard letter on the ILPH website i got mine from the HAPPA website and changed it a little just short and sweet - but obviousley not sweet enough.
But being deeply involved with the content of my letter i belive that its hard to imagine once you have read and maybe seen some video footage of the meat trade that any one horse could come away with out a trace of mental scars - lucky if they dont have phsyical ones from the barbaric treatment! Well to put it this way little Zorelle my rescue horse currently with foster mum liz - i would say she out of many of the horses would of had minimal phsyical contact with the workers of this trade however if you look at her diary its impossible not to see the scars she has brought away with this and to think before april this year she would of been a happy healthy and normal wild horse roaming the spanish prairys. - Liz no i havent had a reply as yet - but another thought may send the nasty flippant reply from rude MP no 1 to nice MP no 2?? see what happens there?
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Post by melissa on Nov 30, 2007 13:14:34 GMT 1
good idea debutante - do it.
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Post by equisader on Nov 30, 2007 15:42:33 GMT 1
Perhaps you might suggest that the MP reads the work of Temple Grandin (eg animals in translation) before he makes such a crass statement.
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Post by debutante on Dec 1, 2007 13:06:53 GMT 1
hello again ok so i sent the shocking reply from the UKIP to the nice Mr Chris Davies MP i got a reply today - read below __________________________________________________________________________ Shelly you are right to be very disappointed with this, and it would not be the first time that people working on behalf of the North west ukip have made (what were meant to be internal) inappropriate comments vis-à-vis constituent’s concerns. My advice is to raise it with Mr Whittaker and ask for an apology and an explanation of the comments. _________________________________________________________________________ Now were getting somewhere
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Post by melissa on Dec 1, 2007 15:05:46 GMT 1
great, well done!
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Post by debutante on Dec 3, 2007 13:22:23 GMT 1
hello again ok i wrote to the nice MP telling them about the rude MP he sugessted i wrote to the head of that dept demanding an explanation and apology so her is a letter i sent (with a little help from Liz)
Dear Dr. Whittaker, I recently contacted the UK Independence Party North West office concerning the suffering caused to equines during their live transportation across Europe, in particular expressing my concern that the Minimum Values legislation in this respect is being ignored for the profit of farmers. In this email, I referred as illustration to the mental scars which afflict one pony rescued by myself. To this serious email, I received a one line response from your office: “Don't know how you identify 'mental scars' in a horse. Perhaps it's particularly articulate.” If, as I can well believe, the person who wrote this does not know how to identify the results of abuse and suffering in an animal, could I suggest that education rather than a flippant reply might be more appropriate. - after thinking this i took it upon myself to then send a second email with some educational material to help this person understand the matter outside the bubble they seem to be in! You will no doubt be relieved to know that I will refrain from a detailed explanation of the effects of abuse by humans on animals of all kinds and how these effects can be easily seen by anyone who cares to look for them in this email to you, however If you wish to know more on the subject, there are many sources of information available which i can forward to you or a copy of the email sent to this address at an earlier date, Alternatively, a brief visit to any animal rescue sanctury would suffice to prove the point. For the time being, though, please be so good as to accept my opinion that animals do suffer mental anguish and that the effects of abuse can be traumatic and longlasting, and that this opinion is of importance to me. Animal welfare may or may not be of relevance to UKIP. It is, though, an issue of relevance to many and as such should be taken seriously. I would venture to suggest that, as an MEP, your remit should be to represent your electorate in all issues of concern to them, not just to yourself and your party. As such, I would politely request you again to give consideration to the issue of the live transport of equines across Europe, also at this point through receiving the disgusting flippant statement to my original email which may I add was not signed off by anybody? then as further disgust no reply to my second email i wish for an apology and explanation from the rude and offensive author of the original email. I thank you in advance for your serious consideration of this matter. Yours faithfully,
below is the reply received today... we may be getting further with this..
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Thank you for this message. I am bewildered and would like more information. As John Whittaker's assistant I would have expected an email of this nature to be referred to me directly. I have no recollection of that happening, nor do I have any record of it on file and I am certain that I have not replied to it - and certainly would not have replied in the manner that you describe. It is always possible that someone else in our office did so but this is extremely unlikely - quite frankly my colleagues are only too happy to let me deal with emails of this sort. However, one must always be prepared to accept, until shown otherwise, that it is not impossible for this to have happened. Will you please send me a copy of your original email and the reply you received so I can see if I can resolve this mystery. Can you also let me know where you are based? I look forward to hearing from you. Gerald Kelley
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Post by debutante on Dec 3, 2007 15:08:49 GMT 1
AN EXPLANATION - WHAT DO YOU THINK?
OK - I'll do my best. I need to spell out our structure for what follows to be put in context and make sense: I am John's PA and all correspondence of this type - that is from constituents - goes to him through me (so that I can filter out matters that aren't the province of an MEP. There are a lot of them. To give but one illustration - I have great support for the "Write to Them" website but one of the by-products of it is that correspondents tend to tick every box so, for example, MEPs get asked to become involved in say, local planning matters which are not their within either their authority or competence. So there is a need for the corres to be, hate the jargon - "focussed and prioritised" (That's my job - I 'm sure that every MEP has a body doing a similar function) Because of my role, I am not as a matter of routine, based in the Office. I work from a fully equipped office where I live. It is not only a question of convenience; the nature of my function is that my MEP can (and does) contact me, again hate the jargon, 24/7 or at least 18/7 - if an issue arises at 9.00pm on a Sunday my principal may need information, access to research notes and abck-up information there and then. It makes more sense for me to be with my records and facilities for a parallel 27/7 rather than having to decamp out of hours to an office several miles away, especialy as time is often of the essence. So whilst I regularly visit our office; mostly, thanks to the marvels of modern technology, emails and letters (via scanners) are sent to my computer at least once and more often twice every day. And this is the bit where you would be entitled to take umbrage, but I hope you will accept it as a reflection of reality with innocent intent: There is comradely personal ribbing between me and my counterpart who works out of the office (and who, together with the office manager) extracts and diverts the email and corres to me. I rib him that he has the "people problem" role in the sense that he travels and interacts with individuals and the members of the public - and I am very happy that he does that. He ribs me because of the very wide range of correspondence both in terms of the subject matter and credibility that I get (and sometimes moan about) It would be entirely inappropriate for me to cite examples but I can assure you that some of the matters that are raised, the manner in which they are raised and the nature of what is said is very "unusual and interesting" So as part of our mutual ribbing my colleague sometimes appends comments of a flippant nature to what is sent on - mainly designed to wind up me (and no-one else) What has happened here is the curse of the finger - I suspect you have heard of the (apocryphal?) stories where an email intended to be private ends up circling the globe. (When it makes the national press it usually involves the romantic goingson of individuals) In this case the comment (insensitive and uncaring had it been intended to be publicly published) was intended for me only and the problem happened because intstead of hitting the "Forward" button (which would have got it and kept it to me) he hit the "Reply" button so it went to you. This also explains why my first reaction in my original email today was "Sorry don't know about this" because in fact your original mail with his addition never came to me. Sorry to have gone on at length, but that's the circumstances. i have tried to give you reasons not excuses - I am still happy to talk if we need to I am sorry, he is sorry and sends his apologies (and when I spoke to him btw he said "and I have sympathy with her aims" Gerald Kelley
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Post by melissa on Dec 3, 2007 15:26:18 GMT 1
omg - they sound like a bunch of flippin kids to me! i would not be happy with this response in the slightest. i think you should take this further....papers etc. i would not vote for these totally unprofessional people (imo) in a million years! he has not even mentioned the issue of what you originally wrote to him about either! i would be fuming....still!!!!!
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Post by thowsmom on Dec 3, 2007 16:41:03 GMT 1
I know someone who's son works in the treasury department withforein secretary] and i am going to press 'Make a noise' and minimum values to him in the near future, will keep you posted
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Post by jackiedo on Dec 3, 2007 17:08:47 GMT 1
I accept that this is probably what happened. Hopefully they will learn from it. I don't think it's worth baying for blood on this
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Post by melissa on Dec 3, 2007 18:21:22 GMT 1
but jackiedo do you think this behaviour is acceptable for *mp's*?
i feel it is totally unprofessional and should be made public.
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Post by jackiedo on Dec 4, 2007 9:24:52 GMT 1
It was meant to be private. There is "black humour" even in the fire brigade. It's how people deal with things. He will have learned from it
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Post by melissa on Dec 4, 2007 12:21:55 GMT 1
I am aware of that jackiedo but tbh a person in his position should not have written the reply he did. I just feel it is totally unprofessional.
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Post by iwillbuy on Dec 4, 2007 12:29:46 GMT 1
i also think that however sincere the man is now i would still feel that he has not listened to my concerns as this is how they reply internally to a genuine concern
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