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Post by troop on Dec 20, 2014 7:59:39 GMT 1
Very sad. I get that horses have 'off days' but this just seemed like a different animal. I never guessed who it was to begin with. She should have got off him.
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Post by kafee on Dec 20, 2014 10:40:02 GMT 1
Oh dear, that was a sad display of horsemanship, such a pity. As wills says, he clearly wasn't ready for that situation and she should have taken it on the chin and stopped. That's easy for us to say sitting at our computers, but as wills also said, she was probably under pressure to show him off.
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Post by lawyerbunny on Dec 20, 2014 11:53:40 GMT 1
Not a pretty sight at all. She should have called it a day, imo.
I don't see a horse that's over-bent, though, more a horse that has switched off entirely and is just not responding to what's being asked. The questions then get louder, then he's frankly being shouted and sworn at in public, for which there's no excuse. For all that, he looks in really super condition for a near-15 year old TB who has had a very busy career, which is good to see.
Not sure it's fair to say that this is representative of how the horse is working or to reach conclusions about his new career. And I'm really not sure there's any justification for personal abuse of Laura Collett, mind, bit shocked tbh Wills.
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Post by wills on Dec 20, 2014 15:10:21 GMT 1
Personal abuse? Think that's taking it a bit far LB, or are we no longer allowed to express an opinion? I haven't passed comment on how the horse is usually worked or how his new career is going. She is a professional, in the public eye,she should act like one - she didn't and IMO she came across on that day as a twat/idiot/insert word of choice. Sad day when you cant even comment on a discussion group without being accused of some sort of "abuse".
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Post by portiabuzz on Dec 20, 2014 15:27:37 GMT 1
I agree with you wills it's a discussion group Sent from my SM-G800F using proboards
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Post by lesleyking1 on Dec 20, 2014 17:01:45 GMT 1
Well what a shame, like an early post said, before reading I didn't think it could be that bad and then it was worse. I wish I read this earlier because Thursday night I was at an ROR evening (re schooling of racehorses for those who aren't into ex-racers) and I now wish I had known so I could have got some feed back from people who do these horses all the time. If I took my little racer in the school (let alone an event) and she went like Kauto one of two things would have happened, she would have put up with me for probably 5 minuets and then quite rightly dump me, being the sensible chestnut Madame that she is or I would have got off and continued with loads more basic work because very obviously a horse (any type) going like this is not ready. I totally agree that this is not something that should inspire any rider to follow and for anyone thinking of an ex-racer I think this video is really damaging, there are far to many people thinking of re-homing these who haven't the skills and to consider they might be kick-a-longs is scarey. Being involved with ROR I meet the top bods as many of them are really into ex-racers to compete or produce for new homes and they are great, so supportive of us members and thankfully from those I have met they are so caring about the horses and really push how much time patience and commitment is needed to get these animals through to a new life and I have followed some in my area, seen them compete and been on yard visits and clinics and I can reassure you all a bit that I haven't seen anything like this before.
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Post by lawyerbunny on Dec 20, 2014 17:05:26 GMT 1
Yes, she was massively unprofessional and probably idiotic too. Agree with that. It's the t word I found a bit shocking, not the criticism. I really respect your views, Wills, and enjoy your posts a lot. Didn't find that comment in keeping with your usual style. Some would be very offended by the term. Let's discuss, argue and have out the issues all day, but let's keep the party polite.
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Post by kristine on Dec 20, 2014 17:43:19 GMT 1
That horse would have been better off loading on the slaughter truck after retirement (sarcasm)... it would have been a more dignified ending for such a great horse. This woman would have better spent her $ on some riding lessons. I am thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed for that horse.
ETA: What she does to "correct" in the practice demonstration pen is what she does at home regularly, or she wouldn't be doing it. What you're seeing here is a tiny bit of the mountain of face jerking, spur sticking that goes on all the time for this horse. Its obvious. I see a horse thoroughly "checked out". You can only pick a horse or person for so long and they either become detached (survival) or something big happens (also survival). This horse has NOTHING to prove... she however, seems to have some ego to bolster.
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Post by wills on Dec 20, 2014 17:50:19 GMT 1
Yes, she was massively unprofessional and probably idiotic too. Agree with that. It's the t word I found a bit shocking, not the criticism. I really respect your views, Wills, and enjoy your posts a lot. Didn't find that comment in keeping with your usual style. Some would be very offended by the term. Let's discuss, argue and have out the issues all day, but let's keep the party polite. On reflection I wasn't in the best of moods when I commented on this, so with that in mind I have edited original post as I don't wish to offend anyone
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Post by Fussymare on Dec 20, 2014 21:47:04 GMT 1
The clip I saw on FB the other day started off with Kauto Star moving forward and looking quite relaxed - but then it cut to a clip where the rider looked like she was doing some sort of bizarre puppetry with the reins whilst kicking and shoving with her seat! Not pleasant to watch at all. I agree she should have just called it a day when he switched off, rather than attempt to galvanize a horse that was definitely not feeling the love for dressage at Olympia!
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Post by siinead on Dec 22, 2014 21:21:20 GMT 1
I dont understand why a horse who has proven he can win has to restart into a whole new discipline if he clearly has to be shoved in there and shoved around and not just be a happy hacker i'm sure he would love nice canters over woodland with an experienced rider of course, it's all about the money! , I support the retraining of racehorses, a lot of them enjoy their new tasks but he looks like he's had enough of it!
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Post by holi on Dec 22, 2014 22:49:37 GMT 1
There is a campaign now to have him retired after that awful display. He owes nothing to anyone after his amazing career and deserves dignity and happiness in whatever he does
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Post by portiabuzz on Dec 23, 2014 10:08:42 GMT 1
Quite right holi! !
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Post by karin1966 on Dec 23, 2014 11:29:47 GMT 1
Sure he'd love to go.hunting or be a happy hacker for.someone that appreciates his story
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Post by lizpurlo on Dec 24, 2014 0:37:08 GMT 1
There certainly is widespread upset and anger at Kauto's appearance and treatment on this ghastly BBC clip, and it will be interesting to see what happens next - if anything. Poor boy, he became something of a pawn between his strong-minded owner and his equally strong-minded trainer during their horribly public falling-out two years ago, and the owner removed him from the trainer's yard, which caused much sadness at the time.
The owner is not a horseman at all, and doubtless thought that a dressage career would be much safer and easier for Kauto than anything involving galloping and jumping. But the horse looks so miserable and shut down, and after all he's had two years training in a professional eventing yard so should surely be able to do basic preliminary dressage in public by now - it looks as if he is doing his best to get the message out that he simply can't cope with this new discipline. And after all, why should he? Would anyone think it a good idea to send Valegro racing or point-to-pointing after he retires from pure dressage?
I really hope that the owner finds his wonderful horse a really nice private home, where he can be treated and spoiled as he deserves, and just given enough fun exercise and outings to keep him happy.
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