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Post by jen1 on Apr 17, 2014 0:45:41 GMT 1
With horses like that in the catching stakes it better to build a corral, and feed daily and do the work that is necessary to build trust , it takes as long as it takes! It's obvious you haven't read my post properly, I have no issue with catching her now, she trusts me irrevocably and yes it did take time, but please don't put me in the stereotype of teenagers being impatient, I am far from it. I took the time with her to build up an unbreakable bond between the two of us, which I doubt this horse has ever been exposed to before.
As for your corral suggestion, did you see the bit about her jumping the 5 bar gate?! She did that to get back into the field with her FRIENDS. Do you really expect her to stay put in a corral? Alone?
Horses are herd animals and become extremely anxious when seperated. I'm asking you this, have you ever met a horse like her? Something that has not been exposed to grass or other horses for a very long time? That has past issues? Hmmmmm... No I did not! Horses herd animals! Gee you dont say! Learn something new everyday! My suggestion was to catch her in a corral to feed touch over the coming day until she was ready!its called pressure and release, I will bow out now, and honey for the record , I train difficult ,scared ,ruined horses for a living! More to the point there Owners using posative reinforcement, and intuition look it equiadds many features few years back!
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Post by snow2908 on Apr 17, 2014 1:00:51 GMT 1
No I did not! Horses herd animals! Gee you dont say! Learn something new everyday! My suggestion was to catch her in a corral to feed touch over the coming day until she was ready!its called pressure and release, I will bow out now, and honey for the record , I train difficult ,scared ,ruined horses for a living! More to the point there Owners using posative reinforcement, and intuition look it equiadds many features few years back! The point of the post was not asking for help on catching her, that is one of the many issues I have sorted through trust and patience. Oh and by the way, I've not ruined my horse, looks like she was already ruined. Had the vet out today she needs X-rays on her hock and back, probable kissing spine has been diagnosed. I knew I'd done miracles with my horse and that she wouldn't do something like she did out of pure hatred.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:26:52 GMT 1
It sounds like there are some assumptions being made here that aren't necessarily helping.
I agree that it sounds like you've done an amazing job so far and, as portiabuzz says, you come across as incredibly mature for your age.
I do have some ideas for you but am out for most of the afternoon. I'll message you later when I'm back.
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Post by portiabuzz on Apr 18, 2014 12:42:00 GMT 1
Lovely offer Liz x
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Post by portiabuzz on Apr 19, 2014 18:22:00 GMT 1
I hope Things work out
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Post by portiabuzz on Apr 23, 2014 14:02:45 GMT 1
any update on this?
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Post by snow2908 on Apr 24, 2014 22:44:46 GMT 1
Snow went in for X-Rays on her hock, stifle and back today. Her stifle has some changes and some bone cists but thess do not appear to be causing her any pain. Her back has come back okay but just sensitive to pressure meaning a sheepskin pad to aid shock absorbsion is essential. Her hock seems to be the issue. It is not clear what's wrong with it as of this current moment in time but once injected with local anethsteric she was much happier and didn't seem to be crippled by pain. She has been kept in the equine hospital overnight as is due to be injected with a nonsteriodal pain relief into her hock and put onto a rehabilitation programme commencing tomorrow. A close eye must be kept on her, acknowledging any improvements and must go back in 6 weeks time for another lameness test. I should be back on her in 2 weeks time, light walking and hacking to begin with, and gradually building up to more strenuous work - at this moment in time it is unclear whether jumping will be a part of her future, sadly.
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Post by portiabuzz on Apr 25, 2014 11:11:37 GMT 1
i do hope she recovers well xx
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Post by chrissiew on Apr 27, 2014 14:52:36 GMT 1
I would strongly suspect a pain issue, especially with her background. I have heard of too many horses coming from Ireland through dealers that have been broken and hunted at 2-3yo and arrive with all the physical and mental baggage. Damaged necks and backs through hunting accidents are unfortunately too common and this is where I would start to look first, especially with the violent reaction on mounting. I would also try and get a true assessment of age - many a 4yo is sold as a 7yo. ^^This. Arthritis of the neck and/or kissing spines springs to mind. Please proceed with caution and get the horse body scanned. A good friend of mine has a metal plate in her head due to being bolted with at mounting with similar issues. Numerous pros in all fields, vets, body workers, trainers said it was behavioral till horse had body scan. Turned out to be severe and aggressive arthritis and the random dangerous behaviour was the poor creatures only way to shout.
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Post by chrissiew on Apr 27, 2014 14:54:09 GMT 1
Xrays are not always enough. Please push your vets for a full body scan.
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Post by chrissiew on Apr 27, 2014 14:59:27 GMT 1
Snow went in for X-Rays on her hock, stifle and back today. Her stifle has some changes and some bone cists but thess do not appear to be causing her any pain. Her back has come back okay but just sensitive to pressure meaning a sheepskin pad to aid shock absorbsion is essential. Her hock seems to be the issue. It is not clear what's wrong with it as of this current moment in time but once injected with local anethsteric she was much happier and didn't seem to be crippled by pain. She has been kept in the equine hospital overnight as is due to be injected with a nonsteriodal pain relief into her hock and put onto a rehabilitation programme commencing tomorrow. A close eye must be kept on her, acknowledging any improvements and must go back in 6 weeks time for another lameness test. I should be back on her in 2 weeks time, light walking and hacking to begin with, and gradually building up to more strenuous work - at this moment in time it is unclear whether jumping will be a part of her future, sadly. I'd be questioning about her back sorry. If it's 'sensitive to pressure' she is feeling some degree of pain surely. Now that could be due to her hocks or sonething else. What areas were xrayed, just her hocks? Sorry to be negative but with a horse displaying such extreme behaviour I think there is potrntially more than just hock/stifle going on. Please be careful.
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Post by snow2908 on Apr 28, 2014 20:50:04 GMT 1
I would strongly suspect a pain issue, especially with her background. I have heard of too many horses coming from Ireland through dealers that have been broken and hunted at 2-3yo and arrive with all the physical and mental baggage. Damaged necks and backs through hunting accidents are unfortunately too common and this is where I would start to look first, especially with the violent reaction on mounting. I would also try and get a true assessment of age - many a 4yo is sold as a 7yo. ^^This. Arthritis of the neck and/or kissing spines springs to mind. Please proceed with caution and get the horse body scanned. A good friend of mine has a metal plate in her head due to being bolted with at mounting with similar issues. Numerous pros in all fields, vets, body workers, trainers said it was behavioral till horse had body scan. Turned out to be severe and aggressive arthritis and the random dangerous behaviour was the poor creatures only way to shout. She has had X-rays on her spine, hocks and stifles. Her hocks are the issue. Snow is a very sensitive horse and reacts drastically to the slightest inkling of pain, drama queen! What she is doing is hollowing her spine to protect her back legs. The cartilage in her hock has worn very thin due to being surverely worked way to young. She's had injections and is improving already.
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Post by snow2908 on Apr 28, 2014 20:54:35 GMT 1
Snow went in for X-Rays on her hock, stifle and back today. Her stifle has some changes and some bone cists but thess do not appear to be causing her any pain. Her back has come back okay but just sensitive to pressure meaning a sheepskin pad to aid shock absorbsion is essential. Her hock seems to be the issue. It is not clear what's wrong with it as of this current moment in time but once injected with local anethsteric she was much happier and didn't seem to be crippled by pain. She has been kept in the equine hospital overnight as is due to be injected with a nonsteriodal pain relief into her hock and put onto a rehabilitation programme commencing tomorrow. A close eye must be kept on her, acknowledging any improvements and must go back in 6 weeks time for another lameness test. I should be back on her in 2 weeks time, light walking and hacking to begin with, and gradually building up to more strenuous work - at this moment in time it is unclear whether jumping will be a part of her future, sadly. I'd be questioning about her back sorry. If it's 'sensitive to pressure' she is feeling some degree of pain surely. Now that could be due to her hocks or sonething else. What areas were xrayed, just her hocks? Sorry to be negative but with a horse displaying such extreme behaviour I think there is potrntially more than just hock/stifle going on. Please be careful. Her back is sensitive to pressure purely because she has been hollowing it for so long to protect her back legs. Her spine, hocks and stifles were x-rayed. I understand where you are coming from, but snow is a drama queen and always makes things appear 100 times worse (please don't tell me that I'm doubting her) The cartilage in her hocks is wearing away due to being pushed at such a young age. She has had an injection to help this and she is already showing signs of improvement.
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Post by snow2908 on Apr 28, 2014 20:58:10 GMT 1
Xrays are not always enough. Please push your vets for a full body scan. Snow has had injections into her hocks as the cartilage is worn away causing her bones to rub together and defuse into one. This is already helping her and she is showing signs of improvement. She is to be checked over by the vets in 4-6 weeks time and if she is still not 100% she will be going in for scans.
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Post by specialized on Apr 28, 2014 21:42:51 GMT 1
Back discomfort is very commonly referred from hock problems, hopefully the medication will improve things. From experience it can take some time to fuse the joints, some vets medicate and prescribe work but we just turned our boy away as the joints were already part-fused when diagnosed. Once the hocks are pain-free then a good osteo/chiro will work wonders with the back to release the spasms from the muscles, you may also find your farrier can help to fine-tune from the feet up.
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