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Post by mandal on Jan 5, 2013 14:08:30 GMT 1
Looks really interesting and no doubt will raise loads of issues. Shame I can't get channel 4.
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Post by Catrin on Jan 5, 2013 14:23:23 GMT 1
A very clever person said to me once that anyone who keeps more of 6 animals of the same breed shows signs of mental health issues, they usually have some sort of personality issue or problem with society. … Well that's an interesting observation and I'll be looking eagerly at people who keep large numbers of the same species — I assume that is what your vet meant, not seven Shetlands, as opposed to five TBs, five Section As, five Shires …. It certainly matches my experience with children. As a teacher, the maximum a well–balanced family ever had was six, any more and there was never harmony and often divorce. One of the last schools I taught in was a local Catholic School, it surprised me that there were still so many large families, but apparently the benefits are paid for longest when you have more. Yet of the numerous families with seven to nine children, not one had both parents in the home. It also bears out with Mel Gibson's family, when I taught the kids they were all happy and there were six of them, after they had more he and his wife became estranged. Another woman, having her ninth, had a husband who wandered and she thought another baby would keep him at home; it didn't, he left permanently. Another family has ten, he has his life, she has hers but she never leaves the farm. Someone in each of these families needs help with some kind of mental problem! Six was always the maximum that I thought anyone had the time for. There aren't enough hours in the day to get well acquainted with more. I hadn't realised that maybe that was the maximum you had if you were socially well–balanced and sane.
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Post by mandal on Jan 5, 2013 15:03:39 GMT 1
Lol, I've got six ponies and horses but the cats are now seven! Most strays obviously dumped on the bog. Tbh, I'm fed up with them turning up here!
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Post by taklishim on Jan 5, 2013 15:11:19 GMT 1
A very clever person said to me once that anyone who keeps more of 6 animals of the same breed shows signs of mental health issues, they usually have some sort of personality issue or problem with society. After this sweeping statement I have watched people who do this, you know, 12 cats 6 dogs, 12 horses etc and yes I have to say so far I have found he is correct. I find it strange that a very clever person would make such a sweeping generalisation. I have 10 horses. Half of those came (along with their problems) as I was their alternative to a bullet. I don't have mental health issues, issues with society or anything else. I planned my life very carefully to ensure that I was able to financially support them all for the rest of their lives. Most came when they were under 6 so they hopefully will have very long lives. I regularly trim each of them, they have stables, a rug if appropriate, the dentist, vacinations, worm counts and wormers and each has the appropriate hard feed and a high qualitiy mineral supplement. Time is devoted to each of them daily. I also have 1 cat, a rational decision made to control the rats and a dog, another rational decision to let me know if anyone is prowling around. that dozens of animals outside of a real santuary are an expression of emotional problems- or LOTS of time and money. Lol. There's that saviour role (real or imagined) too and the real belief that keeping the animals is a very relevant job to which nothing else including any relationship or paid work can interfere. Nope. I am happily married and I do spend my days looking after them. I do it because I enjoy horses. I could spend my time and money going on holiday, going out, clubbing or any other activities that are apparently more socially acceptable. I chose to spend the time doing what I want ie horses. So am I a saviour or do I have emotional problems? ;D
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Post by Catrin on Jan 5, 2013 16:12:47 GMT 1
… I find it strange that a very clever person would make such a sweeping generalisation. … So am I a saviour or do I have emotional problems? ;D I didn't think it was a generalisation, more a statistical probability. You sound like a clear exception to the rule anyway. The evidence for it being that you have the time and financial ability to care for all the animals properly and have rational reasons for keeping them. No emotional problems, as far as we can tell from here! ;D
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Post by taklishim on Jan 5, 2013 16:17:33 GMT 1
[. No emotional problems, as far as we can tell from here! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by wabuska on Jan 5, 2013 19:09:36 GMT 1
Horses and ponies are an expensive luxury, never mind the work. Unless I was making a living or doing well funded charity work... 12 horses? I couldn't do it. Given the chance? Er, no. I think it's like having a dozen children. The greater the number, the less the attention to individuals, but that's with the energy and organisational skills of a Kanga... just my feeling.
Taliksmum... no offence meant and you should be able to care for and love as many animals as you like.. I came from extreme circumstances and I think that colours my view and perhaps I do generalise too much. You sound........ emotionally sound! ;D ;D ;D. We had an animal population of over 60 at one time, not rescues, just emotional indulgences, and there was neglect in the family as a result.
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Post by rosemaryhannah on Jan 5, 2013 21:13:30 GMT 1
Um, a bit of a difference between 13 chicken and 13 TB horses, though ...
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Post by taklishim on Jan 5, 2013 21:54:54 GMT 1
I came from extreme circumstances and I think that colours my view and perhaps I do generalise too much. You sound........ emotionally sound! ;D ;D ;D. We had an animal population of over 60 at one time, not rescues, just emotional indulgences, that sounds like the idea of heaven of an only child who was only allowed one dog under extreme protest to stop her trying to cuddle every German Shepherd. I guess your parents must have liked animals. ;D I wish mine had.
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Post by wabuska on Jan 5, 2013 22:08:31 GMT 1
I promise you.... this was not a good situation. Enough said.. don't want to get heavy. It is sad to have not had animals at all growing up. Can't imagine not sleeping with dogs and mucking around with ponies.
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Post by cobby on Jan 7, 2013 21:07:00 GMT 1
On in 25 mins for anyone interested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 22:06:53 GMT 1
that was so sad, that poor man. the horses didn't look to be in that poor condition from what was seen, obviously didn't see the emaciated/poorly ones but I've seen worse condition on horses. he clearly cared for them as well as he could.
as for the RSPCA handling of the horses .......... words fail me, and the idiots at the "breaking/selling" yard were as bad. and the woman "helping" him, I can't make my mind up about her. I have a sneaking suspicion she saw him as a meal ticket, she continues to take his horses and sell them .. yes, I bet she does .
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Post by mandal on Jan 7, 2013 23:08:19 GMT 1
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Post by Catrin on Jan 7, 2013 23:43:09 GMT 1
It is sad that there is no safety net for people like Clwyd to get the help they need. With just a little support, particularly with getting his colts gelded, he could have retained as much of his dignity as he seems to have retained of his humour. I was particularly staggered at the incompetence of the RSPCA squad, sent to round up the sick horse. Do they have no training whatsoever in horse behaviour?
Many members of their individual rescues, like Gonsal Farm in Shrewsbury, have staff who have been on the IH foundation course, surely they could set up a flying squad to deal with cases like these in an appropriate manner. I had to smile when Clwyd said, "They haven't got a Plan B, have they?" What he could teach them, had they had the nouse to ask.
I am about to compose my letter to the RSPCA to point this out. Anyone else want to join me? GonsalFarm@rspca.org.uk
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Post by mandal on Jan 7, 2013 23:50:58 GMT 1
Unfortunately I didn't see the programme. From the posts I've read the way the sick colt was handled was appalling. Sounds a very sad and unfortunate situation and handled very badly by 'authorities' all round.
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