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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2012 22:32:45 GMT 1
Not sure if you've tried this one already, but I've been using Filta-bac as a barrier cream . I'll look it up, what consistency is it? I'm finding anything greasy just mixes with the mud and then makes it 10x harder to get the mud off. Also, I'm not happy leaving anything gloopy on for days at a time as I won't be able to see/ feel if he's getting any new scabs. Keratex powder - I'll look into that too, sounds more promising than my experiences with greasy and oily products June - he's not allergic to baby oil, I used it as a base for a fly repellent for his sheath/ bellybutton/ armpits in the summer and he was absolutely fine with it. Not sure about bandaging over mud - I hear you but it goes so against the grain!! I'd be happier trying that with something that wicks the moisture away better like the leg wraps rather than trying it with fybagee and bandages. Thanks everyone - as ever lots to think about and a few things to google
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Post by june on Dec 5, 2012 22:52:34 GMT 1
I've tried the Keratex powder. It works for a while but you need to stop when the scabs go or it makes the skin go scaly. I'm a big fan of Aromaheel. Aromaheel, cling flim, bandage for a couple of hours, then comb off the scabs, slap more Aromaheel on and don't do anything else. That's the best way I've found to deal with it. We've had a fair bit this year whereas we haven't had any for the last 3 years. Our lot got it before the mud. The vet thinks it must be related to something that they've eaten that sensitised the skin to light, possibly clover. I suspect he's onto something as it doesn't appear to be related to mud or wet in our case.
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Post by mags on Dec 6, 2012 11:55:57 GMT 1
It's pretty runny, maybe like yoghurt or body lotion. It's definitely not as thick/greasy as sudocrem, for example. I just rubbed it in (to get it onto the skin, not just hair). It creates like a thin film on the skin. Hard to describe. If you wash the leg off with water, some of the filta-bac will come off, but unless you use shampoo that film on the skin will remain. I did sometimes just hose off the mud to check the state of the legs and then do nothing else because there was still enough of the filta-bac on the skin.
I can see your point though with the bandaging. Might be better to stick with something dry while you're putting bandages on top. What I liked about the filta-bac is that I didn't have to go through the daily soak/clean/dry/reapply routine with it.
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Post by Kitty McSpeilberg McGormley on Dec 6, 2012 13:07:38 GMT 1
I really thinks it's individual to each horse sadly..........I tried every bloody ointment under the sun and it was getting seriously depressing because my horse was obviously in pain but I couldn't help her. In the end I had to send her away to a wound clinic at great expense where they kept her in, picked off all the scabs and kept her legs dry until it had healed. I personally couldn't pick the scabs off because it hurt her, I also couldn't keep in on box rest as I felt too guilty. Sometimes its easier to let someone else do these things! I do feel for you though. Now my horse has moved areas she hasn't got mud fever this year....touch wood!!
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Post by Kitty McSpeilberg McGormley on Dec 6, 2012 13:08:28 GMT 1
O and clipping the legs seemed to really speed up the healing process.
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Post by 2 bays & a grey:D on Dec 6, 2012 13:15:41 GMT 1
I havent read all posts but what bedding do you have him on? I made the connection a while back with mf & straw. I used to bed mine on straw and every year they got it. I now bed on shavings and not one has it. Becky bedded on straw and hers have it. Same yard, same field. We mentioned this to a trimmer and he said straw can pierce the skin which allows bacteria in. Will be interesting to hear others experience of bedding and mf?
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Post by marvin on Dec 6, 2012 14:01:56 GMT 1
I think MF is a bigger problem this yr as it was so wet over the summer making the skin weaker. Last yr my boy had no MF didnt was his legs every day just once or twice a week so I could see if he had MF I used thermatex to dry his legs or equ something boots got them from ebay so much cheaper. I used those on the days I washed his legs, normally the weekend. This yr not washed legs but did last night and there are scabs on his back pasterns not the usual place at all he normally got them round the top of his hooves. Only his back legs and they were not there on the weekend...booohoooo field is frozen this morning so hopefully he wont get too muddy no way I can pick of the scabs I value my teeth ... lol I have hoof to heal ointment which seems to be quite good, and to get scabs off someone at the yard puts a bit of ointment sudocreme or something and wraps in cling flim then bandages and leaves on for a couple of hrs then the scabs come off really easily. will have to see if I can use a less muddy field for a while now...he does not like to be in his stable all day when the others are out.
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Post by madhatter on Dec 6, 2012 14:57:29 GMT 1
I havent read all posts but what bedding do you have him on? I made the connection a while back with mf & straw. Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards Not true in my case 2 bays. The only time my mare had MF was when she wasn't on straw
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Post by rrosie on Dec 6, 2012 15:12:03 GMT 1
A pal on the yard got MF in the summer and it took a while to get rid of but it is gone and so far has stayed gone.
After bandaging with flamazine etc she has maintained using a feed additive called Mudgard? I'll have a look when I go up later. Also she has been using this new spray called Hypocare which she now swears by.
I'm just a non brusher I'm afraid but she has definitely found that these things help as well as not washing.
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Post by 2 bays & a grey:D on Dec 6, 2012 15:54:23 GMT 1
Fair enough. It was just a possible theory to the mystery why mine havent and others have Sent from my GT-I9100 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 16:36:31 GMT 1
Thanks,mags that's good to know about the filtabac. I've noted the clingfilm idea, I think jennyb also suggested it on my other thread. If the scabs aren't gone by the weekend I'll see if I can do that. Might be tricky this time as the scabs are low down on his pastern/ heel. He is stabled on shavings... Which I have discovered stick to bandages and fybagee like Velcro
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Post by bramblesmum on Dec 6, 2012 17:27:42 GMT 1
Amber my TB came to me on lwvtb with it and I havent managed to get rid with my normal remedies shes been to the vets today and is on major antibiotics (eek have to do it myself!) and also an antibiotic cream, bloody mudfever none of mine have ever had it. My girl is doing rodeo impressions when back legs are being touched any suggestions how to teach her its for her own good.
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Post by donnalex on Dec 6, 2012 17:40:42 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:57:02 GMT 1
Eek Kitty - clipping his lovely little legs I've seen others say the same but I love his little feathers! His white leg where the scabs are now looked really red on the pastern tonight, I wonder if it was partly because his legs were wet and cold, it didn't seem to be sore. The pig oil and sulpher seems to be sticking better than the baby oil but it honks and my hands stink of it despite trying to use a sponge to apply it! Think a hoof oil brush might be in order. Combining multiple recommendations from here I have come up with a plan: I'll keep hosing his legs off and putting pig oil and sulpher on the non scabby bits and using aromaheel on the scabs, but I've ordered some wicking leg wraps to try to get his legs dry quicker after washing. If that doesn't work I'll try the same but without the washing, put the wraps on over mud then in the morning gently rub off the dry mud to check for any scabbyness. If that doesn't work, or if it does and when the pig oil runs out I might try the keratex as I like the idea of it being dry, hopefully less smelly and less messy! I will report back!
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Post by spanisheyes on Dec 8, 2012 13:18:40 GMT 1
One of mine will get mud fever every year but Ive got good at prevention and now they only get it if they get a scratch or knock on their legs where the MF can take hold. For my horses what works is: *Stabling at night to allow the legs to dry. *Only washing legs about once a month (with a mild anti bacterial and anti fungal shampoo), then dry with a hair dryer *If the legs are washed or wet using thermatex leg wraps (cordura covered or they end up with bedding stuck to them) mine are about 10 years old, look after them and they last. If they get MF mark the wraps so you always use the same wrap on the infected leg and dont spread the MF *Adding ginger to their feed in winter *If they have no scabs use Keratex powder before turnout, rubbing this in allows you to check for scabs too (IMO creams make things worse the MF loves moist conditions) *If they get scabs use Lincoln muddy buddy mud kure cream, this is the best Ive tried for painlessly easing scabs off (faffing about with cling film did not work for me) www.pegasushealth.com/equestrian-supplies/Lincoln_Muddy_Buddy_Magic_Mud_Kure_Cream?search=muddy+buddy&rpage=1&sort=relevanceLincoln Muddy Buddy Mud Kure products contain Metalosan 47 - a breakthrough ingredient in wound management – as well as chitosan. They also harness the well-known anti-bacterial power of silver. *Brushing dried on mud off very gently, scratching the skin can let the MF in, luckily most of mine has dropped off by morning anyway *NEVER use the special turnout boots, they always make things worse On my wish list is a pair of the thermatex like wraps that have silver in the fabric, they are so expensive though This year my boy got MF in August because he cut he pastern and it was so warm and wet. He had to have the vet out because it got badly infected but after treatment and using the regime above he has stayed MF free. Good luck, MF is possibly the most frustrating thing Ive ever had to deal with
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