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Post by Serenbean & Justine on May 28, 2012 22:25:58 GMT 1
Thank you for helping me learn how to help my horse MR Roberts ( and Kelly ) X
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Post by kafee on May 28, 2012 23:08:22 GMT 1
Anyone who stands up and speaks out against long held beliefs is going to be critisized. It takes courage and a very special kind of comunicator to attempt it.
Thank you, Monty and Kelly, for standing up, and helping so many people, and many more horses, by doing so.
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Post by BJMM on May 28, 2012 23:18:45 GMT 1
Dear Mr Roberts and Kelly Marks Thank you for all that you do to make the world a better place for horses and people. Our 'mums' have read your books, watched you on TV and come to your demos. Because of all that they have learned from you, they all try hard to speak Equus to us. They don't always get it right, but we appreciate the efforts that they make. Most of us here have known what it was like to be treated harshly, or to be neglected, before we came here. Now we all live together as a happy herd. We have food and clean water, which many horses have of course, but the thing that brings us the most happiness is that we are all treated with dignity, respect and lots of love. Fear and pain are things of the past and we know that we are safe. Thanks to you, thousands of horses all over the world feel like us, and the world is definitely a better place because of it. With our eternal gratitude and love, from: Blaze, Jasmine, Lola, Salsa, Clayton, Shania and Maggie x x x x x x x
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Post by jen1 on May 28, 2012 23:44:39 GMT 1
i can be harsh on people who ride badly and call them selves professional, how ever i think in this case here is a man who has got his ass of the sofa made a blooming good career with methods that work, who has put his neck on the line to make the world a better place for horses in changing there methods, i think what people forget is how long his methods took to be accepted by the average person in the uk when all we had was tradition, i remember watching monty on the telly id have been about 16/17 look north it was ,in a round pen saying he could back a horse in 20 mins, not long after i moved down south and went to the wellington riding school to watch this man, i was 1 of those gobby kids, surprise! i stood up on my chair and said id eat his hat if he got a rider on the horse in 20 mins ,and many others were in disbelief and cynical, that day the seed had been sown for what im my poor memory would have been 200 people or more , there was some kind of dressage to music champs going on at the same time, read as some horrific horsemanship going on, i wonder how many people thought they needed to change before they saw Monty and how many after? i sat in the cafe listening i suspect it was about half , isn't life about gently gently catchy monkey, with horses and humans, im saddened by people who are essentially sat on there arses as i am now, doing nowt for a cause they find so horrific, no tolerance for what was trying to achieve , i think you need to live tolerance to be a good horse person, !
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Post by Caroline on May 29, 2012 0:58:28 GMT 1
im saddened by people who are essentially sat on there arses as i am now, doing nowt for a cause they find so horrific, That's a big assumption.
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Post by marianne on May 29, 2012 7:08:16 GMT 1
Wow, Jen, you saw Monty at Wellington riding school ? HUGE respect to you, that's like saying you went to the Beatles first concert ;D
I also remember the original BBC TV programme, remember watching the trailer thinking there's no WAY he's going to get a rider on that fast ;D
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Post by avanti on May 29, 2012 7:21:07 GMT 1
I have followed Monty over the years and my horses are so much better for it,my daughter is very keen to follow you Monty and we have taken one of our horses to a demo and were very pleased with his progress, Monty you have our support and always will,
Mandy and Sarab xxx
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Post by Amanda Seater on May 29, 2012 7:34:29 GMT 1
I read the other thread with sadness at some of the comments. Some one said "damned if you do, damned if you don't" My beloved Aunty Edna had a saying " sometimes you can't do right for doing wrong" - meaning the same thing.
So many good people get treated in this way. It saddens me greatly as most are just trying to do thier bit no matter how large or small to the benefit of the horse
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Post by bonniesmum on May 29, 2012 8:04:01 GMT 1
I didn't comment on the TWH thread as I don't feel qualified to but want to state that I have a lot if respect for Monty and his methods.
I want to thank my own pony because if I hadn't had problems with her I would never had realised how much I needed to learn and would never have found IH.
We all gave opinions and have the right to question. I think questioning us healthy and should be actively encouraged. I have a huge amount if respect for Monty that he took the time to respond and his letter was written from the heart.
Sure some people may not agree with what he did, but think about it the other way, if he did nothing would that be seen as condoning it? How many people see violence and abuse in horses or people and turn a blind eye?
Monty is a human being who makes judgements that some people may not agree with but he has a heart of absolute solid gold and I for one admire his strength and courage to go into situations where he might be condemned for doing do in order to try and change the minds of those who would never do so if he didn't engage with them.
Keep up the good work Monty x
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Post by holi on May 29, 2012 8:53:45 GMT 1
I stand by what I wrote on the other thread and I support Monty 100% - do not condemn those who make tough decisions when you have probably have never been put in that place yourself. THis is the problem with the world today in this media age - too many computer based experts who know nothing but have a chance to shout about it and offend others. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone but that is a general observation (think McCanns, etc)
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Post by jennyb on May 29, 2012 10:04:00 GMT 1
THis is the problem with the world today in this media age - too many computer based experts who know nothing but have a chance to shout about it and offend others. Agree with this. So often I see people condemning others on the internet on the basis of a few photos or a short video clip. I have probably done it myself in the past, but being on the receiving end of such judgemental, unwarranted criticism is incredibly hurtful. Now I try to be more understanding, more sympathetic, and try not to judge unless I understand the background to the particular circumstances. I have the utmost respect for people who can talk the talk AND walk the walk, and Monty has nothing to prove on that point.
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Post by pip on May 29, 2012 10:12:45 GMT 1
"THis is the problem with the world today in this media age - too many computer based experts who know nothing but have a chance to shout about it and offend others."
Totally, totally agree with this. Monty has dealt with 1,000s of horses and knows far more about them (and human nature too, I guess) than any armchair computer viewer.
Having been to the USA, I am also aware that the culture is very different and things happen there that would not happen here, or even be allowed here, even though the UK is bad enough in places.
I have 100% support for Monty and Kelly and the RA system.
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Post by Caroline on May 29, 2012 11:25:08 GMT 1
"THis is the problem with the world today in this media age - too many computer based experts who know nothing but have a chance to shout about it and offend others." Totally, totally agree with this. Monty has dealt with 1,000s of horses and knows far more about them (and human nature too, I guess) than any armchair computer viewer. This is very unfair. If you knew who I am and what I have done, I don't think you would say that. There are not many of us who have raised concerns, so it is natural that I am going to take that as an unfair personal assumption and criticism. I would also not want to make any assumptions about the animal welfare work of others - whatever their position on this video - and I think it unfair to level that criticism at anyone from a position of ignorance. There is a legacy from this issue. The message is that it is OK to work with a horse undergoing mistreatment, if the trainer is thought to be persuing a bigger agenda of conversion of the community in which it happens. Do you want to see the RAs and instructors doing this? The students? The new generation of horse people coming through? Where does the line get drawn? Do we want to see Monty people doing Join Up with showjumpers with thistles bound to their legs? With TWH with bolts and caustic chemicals on their feet? With dressage horses with draw reins? With sick or injured horses? The list and possibilities is endless. Or would we rather start with the rules of "Do no harm" and "Cause no pain"? In practise, the line is drawn somewhere - somewhere that allows for incidents like that shown in the video and also allows for the use of the buckstopper. We have argued where that line lays and whether it should lay there many times. I think it should lay closer to an ideal position. Monty draws it where he draws it and the majority of people respect that because of their perception of the man and his work. Thus, reputations define the support for where the line is drawn. You are assuming that his greater experience means that he knows that a softer ethical position will mean greater acceptance and ultimately a greater conversion effect and the serving of a greater good. I can see that argument. But it doesn't mean I don't cry when I see the horse stumbling round the pen, degraded and discomforted. My point is that it is possible to achieve peaceful ends by peaceful means. I think he can draw an ethical line more close to the ideal and use his position and reputation to validate it. He doesn't need to compromise. If Monty Roberts says "I would love to work with your horse, but could you remove those stacks first please?" - I think most people would agree. And I know his followers would love him even more for it. MTA. Since the original thread (in which concerns are raised regarding Monty's work with a TWA horse on stacks) has been locked and not added to the Hall of Fame along with this current thread to which it relates, I reference here the video which has led to both this current thread and the original thread.
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Post by troop on May 29, 2012 11:31:35 GMT 1
THis is the problem with the world today in this media age - too many computer based experts who know nothing but have a chance to shout about it and offend others. Agree with this. So often I see people condemning others on the internet on the basis of a few photos or a short video clip. I have probably done it myself in the past, but being on the receiving end of such judgemental, unwarranted criticism is incredibly hurtful. Now I try to be more understanding, more sympathetic, and try not to judge unless I understand the background to the particular circumstances. I have the utmost respect for people who can talk the talk AND walk the walk, and Monty has nothing to prove on that point. Thank you both Monty and Kelly for all you have done for horses you are an inspiration x
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Post by wabuska on May 29, 2012 11:52:41 GMT 1
Sorry Caroline, and I do entirely respect the work you do, but lecturing like that towards Monty with his experience and insight into not only horses, abuse and how the US system currently works, you're making me cringe inwardly.
You take general remarks made on the board as directed at you, and often they really are not. They are general remarks. I would imagine that horse could not have its stacks just taken off. Probably would need days of adjustment time.
If someone consistently videoed your work Caroline, trust me, they would find fault of some kind. People do.
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