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Post by rj on Jul 6, 2006 8:18:28 GMT 1
I'm targetting vets & farriers, so anyone who has already decided to come, why not see if your vet or farrier will join you? I've faced a poster to my vets & sent via email to a few farriers I'll drop flyers into yards & outlets near me today
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Post by rj on Jul 10, 2006 10:52:06 GMT 1
'FaXed' even! Just upping as the talk is coming up this Sunday
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Post by rj on Jul 14, 2006 10:29:34 GMT 1
Up for the last time!
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Post by rj on Jul 14, 2006 10:29:53 GMT 1
Going, going.............................
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Post by Casper on Jul 14, 2006 11:21:19 GMT 1
Still here... Really looking forward to the evening rj, see you on Sunday.
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Post by lovelylace on Jul 14, 2006 12:41:08 GMT 1
I will be coming as well!!
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Post by rj on Jul 17, 2006 11:32:30 GMT 1
Thanks to all who came out on a hot Sunday evening: What did you think? My view was, if I had not done a 3-day trimming course, I would not have understood a lot of what he was saying, and I personally would have preferred some more explanations, and fewer endorsements. Had similar feedback already. But hey, he gave his time free, and therefore entitled to market himself. I gather the course has just got to the 'get dead legs out of freezer' stage, so hope it doesn't get too hot (which it will!) in the next few days...... And we made a profit - around £30, but yet to be counted - which will send to EMW asap.
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Post by Susan on Jul 17, 2006 12:45:43 GMT 1
Hi RJ. Thanks for the organising and also this goes to June.. PLus of course to KC himself. Ian asked me on the way home what did I think? Well similar to you. I have been involved with "Feet" for many years so I also have quite an insight and understanding,,so it was easy for me. But I felt a lot of that talk to the total uninitiated it would have gone over many heads. For many it was preaching to the converted. So possibily a better approach would have been to ask "why have you come tonight? what do you hope to gain from this? Hindsight!!! But Ian does intend to feed back as he also felt the same.
But it was informative and especially the method of taping solemates to feet! so pleased I asked what I felt originally was a stupid question. I had an understanding of the scoring of the foot but I did feel he explained it better and I came away more informed of that area and the usefulness of its value. Flynn still has flare and splits on the fronts, but feel after his trim this week more radical approach will be taken with advice from KC to who ever does them mainly because KC will give that person more confidence to carry that out. I know we can then be better set up to continue our journey to much healthier "Shoeless" !!! feet. Again this was information I gained from his talk.
I dont see any reason he should not market himself at any opportunity. I get paid to go to work and this is his business at the end of the day.
Thanks again to you and June and of course not to be forgotten Mr Rj!!
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Post by Sue & Tinta on Jul 17, 2006 13:28:33 GMT 1
Thanks RJ & June (& KC) for organising this. I found it very informative and interesting - (Passed my feedback onto Susan) although not owning/loaning a neddy myself I realised how little I knew about the growth and purpose of the foot - I am now off to look at diagrams of horses feet to learn all the names and then as they apparantly don't look anything like they do in the diagrams I am going to ensure that next weekend I look at 5 different horses feet at June's yard and work out all the bits.
Hope the legs don't get too smelly in this hot weather - we've had some fun discussing them ! Also one thing that was mentioned was the fact that vets and farriers tend not to talk - and that a vet would probably only have a 3 hour lecture on podiartry in his final year at college in all the time he was training - surely there is the need for vets and farriers to spend the day together learning about the horses foot so they can understand each other better - just my thoughts and ponderings on a lonely drive home down the dark country lanes of Bedforshire !
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Post by rj on Jul 17, 2006 14:05:23 GMT 1
Having had to console a friend & bite my tongue, when she said, 'we tried everything the vets & farriers could do, but in the end, there was no improvement & you have to put your trust in them don't you........?' It's so true when KC said that we have take responsibility for our horses health. How can we put so much faith in & pressure on these people? We were always brought up to assume that all professional people from vicars to accountants, to doctors to lawyers, were infallible, and I think we carry on believing it until we find differently. Sometimes it's dishonesty or incompetence, but usually it's just being human. But they will often not admit to NOT knowing everything or take steps to learn more - hence sad lack of vets/farriers in audience: 2 farriers (one was on the course anyway) & no vets in audience of 46 people......... what can we say? I agree his explanation of scoring made more sense to me too. I had fallen into the same trap as before ' don't really understand, but they know what they're doing' when Karin explained that on her first visit. When will I learn?! As for him self-marketing, as I said, he gave his time free so why not, but I always feel uncomfortable listening to anyone saying how good they are. It's an 'awfully English thing', I'd rather hear third party praise, but we've had to get used to Monty, Pat P & all these 'brash yanks' doing their own trumpet blowing (that's not rude is it?), even though I still don't like it. Just me - & I also dislike receiving praise myself, so luckily it doesn't happen too often!
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Post by Susan on Jul 17, 2006 23:51:55 GMT 1
hey...you rj...im a yank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
am i brash ? perhaps dont answer that!
i have ad to learn to accept praise as i personally didnt feel good about myself at one time. there is nothing wrong with it and as june said he has to show credability and they do because many of us have been dissallusioned by the so called experts.
we cant have the cake and eat it. reserved english bit isnt always the best way to be..so rj.. enjoy praise.. apologes no caps.. but im am having to type one handed.. cts... i cant ignore it and mend it if i dont change what i do. its like feet! really.
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Post by rj on Jul 18, 2006 14:06:24 GMT 1
I rest my case!!!!!!
I asked Frank what he thought about the lecture, bearing in mind that he is as totally non-horsey as the husband of someone who is totally obsessed by them can be.
He agreed that he found the self-congratulation a bit off-putting, but felt that it sprang more from 'at last I'm being taken seriously' rather than anything else. He felt that KC wasn't easy to listen to, as sometimes his diction wasn't clear & the sound of them thar cowboy boots tended to drown out some words as he strode around in the wooden floor. Frank was sitting at the back of the hall & thought others there may also have had difficulty getting all that was said. He did however feel that KC was very knowledgeable on his subject and had a great way of getting it across.
And my opinion is that although he didn't want to be associated with other barefoot methods (I understand the point he makes, but would prefer some sign of support for other practioners excluding S of course) and the idea of it being natural, that is why & how a lot of us got to the point where we want to hear the 'complicated science' bit!!
And it is great to know that he is involved in research which can provide scientific results, as it is only that which will get the vets on side.
Hope you're better soon Susan, I prefer 'no caps' to being SHOUTED at anytime! Have you tried typing with your feet, then?!
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Post by Sue & Tinta on Jul 18, 2006 14:45:31 GMT 1
RJ I have advised Susan to get some speech recognition software so be very careful .
I didn't mention anything about the sales schpeel as I just accepted it as part of 'the talk' - How many other demos do we go to were there isn't a table or stall selling the particular merchandise of the person we've gone to see. - Certainly with KC he didn't appear to have any merchandise with him to sell only that which was for the admission raffle where profits went to charity.
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Post by taklishim on Jul 18, 2006 14:50:12 GMT 1
Really interested in your feedback comments about the talk. I went to one of his free talks a couple of years ago and, whilst I appreciated it was for free, I did not think it really served a purpose for "newbies". I understood it (as I had already done a course) but I was glad that the newly barefoot friends I had tried to persuade to go did not turn up as I know they would have been totally lost. I think that if his talk is staged at the more "general" horse people who may be slightly interested and want to know more it would be better if it was less complicated by science and was much broader and more practical. If people are interested they will go on a course and learn the science etc. I find the "self congratulation" too much. I don't understand him wanting to distance himself from other barefoot methods.
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Post by pip on Jul 18, 2006 15:46:57 GMT 1
Ditto taklishim, I would have been interested to have a "feedback form" to fill in! I am glad I went and it was interesting, but it actually made me look for a trimmer from the "other lot" as I decided that I liked the idea of lots of different practitioners discussing methods and exchanging ideas and evolving, rather than just following one person's lead, however good they are.
I know we have to be very grateful to KC for coming over to the UK and starting up the workshops and training the pioneers and his talk is excellent on the technical side and the theory. I would certainly go again to his talk if it was within reach (and I went 70 miles last time ) and I hope I would be able to ask some intelligent questions if I went again.
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