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Post by welly on Dec 15, 2010 12:14:10 GMT 1
Has this been reported to the BHS? There is a new website for reporting accidents. Please do, the more information the BHS has the more chance there is to do something about it. And reported to the Police.
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Post by welly on Dec 15, 2010 12:15:15 GMT 1
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Post by jinglejoys on Dec 15, 2010 13:28:12 GMT 1
" Wee Gripe - I wish people wouldnt walk thier dogs on a flexi lead with it stretched out..on the streets.. Saw a lady doing that yesterday, while she picked her way over ice, the dog had freedom on the lead... I wonder how quickly she could reel it in, should it decide to cross the road..... "
One of my pet hates too Julze,they ought to ban the bloomin things!!!!!
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Post by julz on Dec 15, 2010 20:03:24 GMT 1
Not neceassarily banned JJ, just have owners taught how to use them properly... Two terrriers i walk have them.. only one is on the lead more often than not... but never within the reach of roads or cars are they let out.... always short until into the park/wherever we are walking... if i see another dog approaching i reel him back in.... he's a funny beggar.. can be great with most dogs, grouchy with others and pain in the bum with pups...
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Post by auburnalia on Dec 15, 2010 21:56:21 GMT 1
I hope everyone concerned makes a full recovery. Two out of the three dogs you mention OP were bred for herding (not to defend and attack) - collies for sheep and Rotties for bulls. You state that the instinct must be just "in them" and I agree that herding, or any other instinct for that matter, is to a certain extent and I agree with Dragon Master it is not as black and white as nature vs nurture, but its what owners do to prevent the dogs instinct from becoming a problem that's important, and clearly what has not happened in this case. It is ALWAYS down to the owner, no exception at all. If you know your dog jumps fences you make the fence a height that it cannot jump. If you know your dog doesn't like horses you keep it away from horses (like DM does), owners MUST manage situations, yes training does come into it a lot but if you have an animal for whatever reason that you cannot trust 100% in a given circumstance (such as not to jump a fence) then it is the responsibility of the owner to make sure the fence is not jumped! Of course bearing in mind the difference between accidental human error (such as postman leaving gate open) and negligent human error (not bothering or caring to do anything about the problem). So I dont think its fair or correct to blame the dogs. Nestle - which Act states that no dog should be off lead in a public place? I have never seen this and have studied the law quite thoroughly so would be interested to know. Perhaps you mean no dog should be deemed to be out of control in a public place? Which is what the Dangerous Dogs Act currently stipulates. Of course this can be on lead or off lead, but often is only referred to as off lead. Out of control dogs with their numpty owners really annoy me!!!
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Post by julz on Dec 15, 2010 22:45:55 GMT 1
Two out of the three dogs you mention OP were bred for herding (not to defend and attack) - collies for sheep and Rotties for bulls. Make that 3 out of 3.. (i didnt know Rotts were bred for rounding up bulls.... I was told they pulled the little meat carts that butchers used to sell their meat door to door.) GSD - German Shepherd Dog.... Clue is in the name Though they are more commonly used as Police Dogs
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Post by julz on Dec 15, 2010 22:52:32 GMT 1
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Post by auburnalia on Dec 16, 2010 0:31:47 GMT 1
Two out of the three dogs you mention OP were bred for herding (not to defend and attack) - collies for sheep and Rotties for bulls. Make that 3 out of 3.. (i didnt know Rotts were bred for rounding up bulls.... I was told they pulled the little meat carts that butchers used to sell their meat door to door.) GSD - German Shepherd Dog.... Clue is in the name Though they are more commonly used as Police Dogs Doh, yes of course - I wasnt thinking!! Yes, before having a rottie I didnt know they were herding dogs at all.
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Post by jackiedo on Dec 16, 2010 3:24:28 GMT 1
I think the No dog should be off the lead in a public place must be a local bylaw, because I think the legislation refers to out of control rather than off a lead. Azlan was chased into barbed wire by 2 greyhounds when he was a foal with horrendous results, and my daughter's ISH was attacked by a staffie who held on to his underbelly for some distance.
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Post by holi on Dec 16, 2010 10:45:03 GMT 1
I think here the problem is that as we are rural any 'agression is left in the dogs as people want them to act as guard dogs. With their owners some are fine (except the local collies who seem to just run amok) like the GSDs - she can walk them without lead, they come to her word etc but she leaves them in the garden to run up and down the fence, leaping at the gate etc as she has been burgled and has horses and stables she wants protecting. That then leads to them flying over the fence - she does have electric fencing now but in this case it failed - but its still unerving to get people, horses etc past their house with two snarling, barking, leaping GSDs and they are the very large, long haired type. The farmer with the vicious collies put up a sign saying 'warning these dogs bite' but apparently this is an admission and would not stand up in court of law so now they are kept in a building when not working.
I do think people are irresponsible though - I can remember having an arguement with a chap would literally jumped out of a bush as I was riding along and threw a ball for his dog!! Madness.
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Post by Dragonmaster on Dec 16, 2010 11:02:54 GMT 1
and yet.... got this email from someone I know today - she has obviously sent it around.....
"Just had a visit from 2 shady characters looking for scrap metal. VEHICLE NUMBER **** *** They had the gall to drive straight into my field where we keep the horseboxes ....spotted a skip which we hired when we built the new stables. AND....wanted to empty it! Thanks to Michaela who sent them to my front door and I opened it... The guy was horrified to have 2 German Shepherds jump out at him! Gad they are worth their weight in gold! Just let everyone know for us!!! "
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Post by lawyerbunny on Dec 16, 2010 14:24:21 GMT 1
the law states. "No dog should be off a lead in a public place' Not too many people know this. It doesn't. Trust me. The law is an ass, but not that much of one! Without going into tedious amounts of detail, the law can hold the owner of an animal which causes damage liable for that damage. There are also specific criminal offences which can be committed by the owner of a dog which worries livestock (inc horses). For liability in negligence to be established, the key is to show that the owner in question failed to exercise reasonable care. Allowing dogs to roam free around horses may not breach the owner's duty of care in some situations, in others it may. All of the circumstances would be taken into account (the law's good like that ) Hope all involved in this incident recover well.
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