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Post by LisaM on Jul 28, 2009 14:36:38 GMT 1
I have to say I need more time to digest this - it's pretty graphic and NOT for the blood shy amongst you... Please can you comment as I dunno how I feel about it... is it right - is it wrong?? www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrwRYdOiYXs |
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Post by LisaM on Jul 28, 2009 14:38:04 GMT 1
d'oh - should say 'severe' not sever !!! lol
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Post by mandal on Jul 28, 2009 14:46:24 GMT 1
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Post by Zuzan on Jul 28, 2009 14:48:52 GMT 1
OK didn't manage to watch most of it.. winced at pony being walked up and once he'd got the knife out I stopped...
As far as I know (I've seen 2 ponies fully recover from Laminitis) cutting into the hoof isn't really a solution. which is where I'm guessing the video goes..
so yes I think it is wrong.
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Post by mandal on Jul 28, 2009 14:53:55 GMT 1
He's not a vet he's a Master Farrier!!! Are Farriers in this Country allowed to open the hoof capsule? I thought it was a veterinary proceedure... I really don't agree with this on you tube... what if some numpty decides to have a go themselves!!! OMG... I tried to watch more... he's releasing the pressure that's built up in the foot and removing necrotic sole, when he makes the foot bleed (blood streaming out) he states that that is good he's hit an abscess  and pressure is being released!!  Imo part of the 'necrotic sole' as he calls it in front of the frog is the coffin bone tip!!!   I know I'm only an owner with owners knowledge and experience but this just goes against all my instincts and I'm actually vvery upset for the horse (lami for 4 years!! ) and dread to think of others getting similar treatment! I thought t was this sort of treatment that got Strasser followers into Court!! A lot of the comments are positive!! I just cannot watch it as I really cannot see anything positive from the first few seconds! |
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Post by Zuzan on Jul 28, 2009 15:04:36 GMT 1
agree very dangerous and really un-neccessary.. personally I think some vids on utube are there to provoke / troll rather than educate
Mandal is absolutely right about the 2 principles
DO NO HARM
DON'T INVADE LIVE SOUL
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Post by mandal on Jul 28, 2009 15:37:14 GMT 1
Please. please anyone wanting to learn different non invasive approaches get this DVD www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VcMU6vx_z4Great for Lami and/or get Jaime Jacksons book... Founder prevention and cure The Natural Way!! I'm really trying to watch it but i keep getting so upset! When he injects the 'well horse' resin into the hoof capsule via a hole he has made in the sole the shot after nearly the whole base of the coffin bone can be seen!! This is covered with blood supply and cells to make sole etc. and it is almost entirely exposed!! Oh now a reverse shoe!! That's enough!!! |
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Post by moo on Jul 28, 2009 15:38:18 GMT 1
yes iv watched this about 100 times as this is what the vet wanted to do to merlin :-( thank god for our amazing knowledgable farrier who found out that it was just seperation! plus shud they really turn that pony out that soon?
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Post by Sam C on Jul 28, 2009 16:18:09 GMT 1
Are Farriers in this Country allowed to open the hoof capsule? I thought it was a veterinary proceedure... I know they are at least allowed to do it under veterinary supervision, as I had something similar done to two of mine about 4 years ago. The vet warned the farrier never to attempt it alone as there was a risk of the horse bleeding to death. Mine had a smaller resection (about half the height of the horse in the vid) and a similar amount of sole removed, going into the solar corium and in some small 'dead' areas, removing it completely. They then had heartbars fitted with a mix of nails and glue, equi-pak and vetrap. My gelding was actually no different afterwards while my mare spent the best part of three weeks on the floor. It was unnecessary, disgusting, painful, didn't solve anything, and if I ever consider letting anyone do that to my horses again you have my permission to shoot me. |
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Post by Suz on Jul 28, 2009 16:33:50 GMT 1
sorry but i didn't manage to watch the whole thing just the first minute was enough but flicking through the rest argghh.
The poor pony. When will people learn it isn't necessary?
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Post by mandal on Jul 28, 2009 17:00:57 GMT 1
My gelding was actually no different afterwards while my mare spent the best part of three weeks on the floor. It was unnecessary, disgusting, painful, didn't solve anything, and if I ever consider letting anyone do that to my horses again you have my permission to shoot me. Sorry Sam... I'll be first in line!  At least you've learned from your experiences. It is so incomprehensible that in this day and age when other non invasive methods have been proved to work over and over again that these sort of things still are advocated for laminitis. I suppose we all have 'our thing' well this is most definitely one of mine!!! Ever since I read Jaime jackson little book and he tells of horses with hoof slough (hooves falling off!! Yes, right off) and how to care for one if this happens I knew there was a better way!  He says he is out on the fringe of care... the absolute last resort for many horses!!!! I get so cross to think that years later this is still true!! |
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Post by wendyihts on Jul 28, 2009 17:02:42 GMT 1
I think it feeds into some macho thing. I remember Jaime Jackson saying in one of his books he sometimes missed the joy of hammering a shoe on the anvil and then the feeling of the nails sinking into the hoof. I guess chiselling out a hoof until it bleeds is a step further than that.
But this guy isn't working in the UK, is he?
I feel sorry for the owners too, though. It's hard to make rational decisions when you're terrified for your horse, you're suffering with them, seeing them in pain and the experts are telling you that a certain course of action is essential or you'll lose them.
This is why it's really important to have research into the effectiveness of less invasive, more holistic approaches to some of these diseases, things that incorporate diet and exercise too.
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Post by mandal on Jul 28, 2009 17:08:09 GMT 1
I think it feeds into some macho thing. I remember Jaime Jackson saying in one of his books he sometimes missed the joy of hammering a shoe on the anvil and then the feeling of the nails sinking into the hoof. I guess chiselling out a hoof until it bleeds is a step further than that. But this guy isn't working in the UK, is he? Pete Ramey says on his DVD that he carried his tools around in his van for years in case he needed to put a shoe on when he started trimming but he never needed to. He also says the he loved the process of shoeing too. No I don't think that MF in working in England... I was just querying whether a MF could do it here? |
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Post by wendyihts on Jul 28, 2009 17:13:28 GMT 1
I also thought they weren't allowed to do resections here - I remember us having discussions in the early days of Dan Guerrera on the topic because he used to recommend them sometimes (at the time, dunno what his view is now).
ETA: Surely they'd have to sedate at least, which would kinda imply a vet was there with them too?
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Post by jen1 on Jul 28, 2009 18:01:51 GMT 1
i dont think it should be on you tube, it just seems to me it isn't nessasary
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Arghhhhhhhh Nooooooo 
and pressure is being released!! 
At least you've learned from your experiences. It is so incomprehensible that in this day and age when other non invasive methods have been proved to work over and over again that these sort of things still are advocated for laminitis. 
