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Post by taklishim on Jun 20, 2008 17:18:54 GMT 1
yes, that would be good, Jinglejoys. Hopefully people will consider foggage and post about their experiences, goog or bad etc in due course. Cannot try it this year as I have too many horses but I would be very interested to see how it works for the future.
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Post by fluffypony on Jun 20, 2008 19:06:03 GMT 1
You know, thinking about it, when we first took this field on this farm on a few years ago, it was foggage! I just didn't know it at the time ;D We moved in in january and it hadn't been grazed the previous summer. I know I have some photos on a disk somewhere, I will dig them out and post them if useful. It was indeed light brown, bent over and kind of like hay still attatched to the ground! We put my lad and a new forest on it, with no problems at all. I think I posted on a forum asking advice on whether it was too much grass for them, but the opinion was that as it was basically old dead grass it would be fine. And it was!
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Post by lolamae on Jun 20, 2008 19:13:24 GMT 1
Standing hay we used to call it years ago in Devon.
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Post by fluffypony on Jun 20, 2008 19:27:22 GMT 1
Is foggage just a word someone made up recently then? ;D I think it's hilarious - makes me smile everytime I say it or write it now ;D Anyone know where it comes from? Found a pic of the field when we moved in though, is that what we mean?
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Post by mandal on Jun 20, 2008 20:23:31 GMT 1
That's what I imagined fluffypony. I'm going to try it. Just back to buttercup for a mo ........ The paddock where the buttercups are mainly is the same acidity (5.5) as the other but it also has the high amoniun nitrate whereas the other has a very low reading. So I wonder if the two together acid soil and high nitrogen is the best/worst (depending on how you look at it) conditions for b.cups? Sorry to be boring Lol!!
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Post by taklishim on Jun 21, 2008 19:20:32 GMT 1
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) Fog \Fog\ (f[o^]g), n. [Cf. Scot. fog, fouge, moss, foggage rank grass, LL. fogagium, W. ffwg dry grass.] (Agric.) (a) A second growth of grass; aftergrass. (b) Dead or decaying grass remaining on land through the winter; -- called also foggage. [Prov.Eng.] --Halliwell.
Note: Sometimes called, in New England, old tore. In Scotland, fog is a general name for moss.
fluffy pony, that is what I found when googling Foggage. If you think they all end in "age" ie silage, haylage. From your picture that is what I understand foggage to be.
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Post by jinglejoys on Jun 21, 2008 19:41:10 GMT 1
I remember as a child we always limed the fields once a year but then we also burnt stubble to add ashe into the arable equation.
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Post by rummi on Jun 21, 2008 20:44:07 GMT 1
Colourfulpony- moving the fences to give them the extra grass in the winter was a bit of a pain, but probably took no longer than the alternative of putting some hay out, and was free!
I basically started with one side and gradually brought it in, only move it further once they had eaten it down. This was a great way of controlling their food, and I gave them more or less depending on the weather!
Once this side of the field was about 1/2 way in, I'd move it right back out to where it was, then start moving the other side. The main problem was as you moveone bit in, you get 'excess' tape. To a point, I wound this excess around the poles, up and down the 'hooks'. After a while, i had to take some tape out.
After they had eaten down most of it, I moved the second side back to where it had originally been and opened up a part of the fencing, so they could get to all of the field. As there was slightly more food in the central bit, they tended to stay in there, leaving the corridor rested for a couple of weeks. By this time, it was April, and it all started again!
I think this year, I'll be a bit 'meaner' with the winter grass as i think they should have come out a bit leaner than they did!!!
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Post by mandal on Jun 21, 2008 21:50:59 GMT 1
I'm just really pleased to hear that they do eat it!! Mta.. I've been trying to identify my grasses I was worried when I thought there was a lot of fescue. (I believe in the USA laminitis is also called 'fescue foot'!!). Pleased to say there doesn't appear to be any ryegrass or fescue. Interestingly though one I think is called Yorkshire fog.........
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Post by potto on Jun 21, 2008 22:19:19 GMT 1
Am a good few days in now to paradise paddock and the boys have got use to the circular route. I have also narrowed down some of the corridors a little more to limit the grass a bit more and encourage a bit more forward movement. They are definately going round and round as the poo droppings confirm.. and today i saw them having a good gallop and play and do a few laps chasing each other... It is proving really effective with regards providing interest, stimulation and keeping them happy and moving i have not used any fly rugs, light weights or fly masks, the last few days either as they have either been totally filthy and covered in orange sandy dust or thick orange mud or moving in and out of hedgerows. When i have brushed them their coats have been lovely and shiny... eventually that is with lots of elbow grease!!!!
The disadvantages to me have been having to adjust the fencing particularly after a windy day... and the slightly more extended poo picking route and comments from other livery's.... but hey ho if the gees are happy.... I am just a bit concerned about the horses becoming a bit too fit tho......
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Post by donkeydude on Jun 21, 2008 22:23:01 GMT 1
I have been very interested in this system since before it became known as Paddock Paradise. Unfortunately I have been unable to implement it yet. I have noticed just recently that it is being discussed and used by members of other forum boards.
Just to add, every year, my neds are put onto grazing that has been untouched for twelve months and has got to the 'dead' stage. keeps them full without having to feed hay.
Think I might start throwing around the word 'foggage' I love it!! ;D
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Post by mandal on Jun 21, 2008 22:24:19 GMT 1
Re the tape in wind.....do you have it flat/straight? I find that if I twist it it stops the wind catching it so much. I'm sure the other liverys will soon get used to it and you never know!!! Mta........We should start a 'Foggage club' Lol
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Post by potto on Jun 21, 2008 22:53:18 GMT 1
Thanks for tape tip mandal will try that! OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH!!! duuuurrrrr i am soooo silly and slow have just caught up on the thread.... duh! i was thinking 'foggage' was a typo for 'forrage' hee hee... ;D
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Post by jen1 on Jun 21, 2008 22:58:23 GMT 1
it does make sense, generally folk keep horses locked indoors for the winter and let them out at the most dangerous time of year, in summer in the states and such like id imagine that most of the grass is dried up , watering holes turn to mud baths. even native ponies would have a more varied diet of gorse and other stuff to graze on, maybe we should reverse it and let horses out in winter on foggage and make tracks in summer for those who cant do permanent tracks,to me it makes absolute sense in as much you cut hay in summer, so you can make tracks round your hay meadowss and when its cut make tracks and leave it to grow for foggage, it also make economic sense for liveries and farmers to to have tracks round the edge of there land and leave the middle for cattle and sheep things that need grass to fatten them
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Post by mandal on Sept 21, 2010 21:22:02 GMT 1
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