URGENT French horses saved *update P 2*.

[monet]

Jan 30, 2009 15:40:14 GMT 1 Tuppence said:

I know this DG is an incredibly kind and generous place and I know some of you will be wanting to help these horses. Can I just point out that QOLAS is not a registered charity and is therefore not bound by Charity Commission rules.

Make of that what you will.

simply because QOLAS acted within the law and our income for 2007/8 was under the £5000 mark and we were not required to reg with the CC. they actually encourage you to NOT reg unless your income goes over that mark, as soon as QOLAS income exceeded the £5000 mark we wrote to the CC to keep with in the law. please get your facts right before making judgments.

[monet]

and you might like to read my blog as a point of fact. qolasindevon.blogspot.com/

also some may remember little Dolly, who needed a home. no one came forward to help Carol, who is an active member of IH and the forum, but we took dolly in, who i might add is doing very well.

[monet]

Jan 30, 2009 9:05:10 GMT 1 @lizp said:

I'm sorry, Monet, I know you asked for no negative comments but I would like people to be aware.

Some of the horses rescued previously have turn out to be quite easy. Others, though, are very wild, very scared, and extremely difficult to work with. I'm going to see a group next week, including a 15 yr old mare, heavily in foal, very poor as she won't touch "human" food and scared witless. This mare and the others in her group weren't bought by their current owner but the original rescuers discovered they had taken on more than they could handle and she has taken them in. There are others stories of these French rescues far beyond the abilities of their owners. It's often not a pleasant experience for either horse or owner.

I'm not saying to anyone don't help, if that's what you feel you want to do. But please do so with your eyes open. There is a lot, lot more involved for the horses themselves as well as the owners than you would think.

Thats a very good point and which all homes are now vetted before equines are brought over. money raised by the public, and equines bought remain the property of ES and are subjected to home checks and refs. this has been decided as the way for-wards and can only once again be a good thing, to ensure the lives of these equines and there new mums/dads. Mistakes should never be made at the expense of an animal. but they have been made and to which these wont happen again.

I will agree not everyone will agree to what ES are doing, but i feel strongly about some animal Charity's in this country and over seas that i feel don't act to the best interest of animal welfare. SO please don't worry about having your say, it is after all an open forum

[monet]

Gosh i rabbit on dont i! lol

[monet]

Jan 30, 2009 20:13:19 GMT 1 KoLaTo said:

Sorry Monet but i am really confused over why you have had a sudden change of heart after your comments made before about people on here 'rescuing' French horses? I know you have pointed out that you don't want negative comments and are guilty of knocking the 'rescuing' on here before but seriously that is one huge change to go thru to my mind........

These are all excepts from your previous posts and yet now you are asking for money yourself for these ponies, £1000 ? As Casper said above, there are far more needy equines going thru the UK sales at the moment.

Your comments below..................



i for one would still not donate to a committee if any old tom "@*£!" or harry came about to say they need to buy a horse to save it and wanted money for it

sorry to sound a bit thick but i have been reading about these two mares that have been saved from slaughter in France and cant find the original thread about them, why they needed saving etc etc, it just strikes me as a bit funny that money was needed too save two horses in France from a meat man when hundreds are fattened and slaughtered every day.

so please enlighten me as to why these girls are special

i am am not telling anyone how to donate there money just pointing out that many many equines need help right here in the UK.

OK we all no that horses cost money so why commit to something knowing you don't have the funds to pay for all of it and then hope that the horse does not have any illness or might NOT need a vet when it arrives.

Thanks for finding my original posts on the subject, it has once again amazed me of the nature of humans and how much we can change our thoughts and ideals about an issue, and that we can be wrong about something, and we have to give more thought to what we think and write for me personally this was about how i can made a small difference to how equines are transported across Europe. I was wrong to inflict my opinions back then and for that i am sorry.

I read some were about the journeys (think it was the ILPH website) and saw some dreadful pictures which made me shudder, and i felt i wanted to do something, so i signed the petition.

When you are faced with something like what we had to go through last year, like the eviction, and the thought of having to re home animals, try to face moving them to a friends woods and fields and when your whole family is sat around a table with everyone crying and you are just about to lose everything thats means something to you, you go through some strong personal changes within. I had some very harsh words written to and about me personally on another forum and lost all my confidence in everything, for the last year i have sat around and just plodded on with life, even when the farm was saved, i just got on with working to pay for the animals we had and just plodded. I also see the world as a very hostile place now. this last year has been a roller coaster of a ride and i now feel very privileged and humble to wards those who do selfless acts of kindness. and i also realize that its actually me who has the power to change how I feel. not how other people make me feel.

My views on love, life and universe changed so much that i feel empowered to try to do something as my Passion for equines was back and i felt i had to at least try.

One of my reasonings behind helping ES is the little mare that is in foal, why should she and her unborn foal die, when i have the power to save her. i have a voice and i have the confidence to try to help her. I also have a home for her and her unborn foal for life. i have to at least try, and by trying i can hopefully save another one. yes i no i cant save them all, but again as i have said, my main issue is with the transporting of these equines. Little Forriea just happened to touch my heart, as did the 200 members on the ES forum, who are as we speak all trying to raise enough to help the ones that will be on a lorry next week.

Is it such a bad thing to have a change of heart? and also is it such a bad thing to admit to everyone on this forum and others i was wrong? No i don't think so. if more people in this world sat down and gave more thought as to why they have a feeling about something and tried to see the other side then we might not have such a hostile place in which to live. My mantra in life is "pure intent" No i am not some religious freak, i am actually a scientist studying animal behavior, but i have morals in life that i intend to stick to, and one of those is to admit i was wrong. and to help as many animals that cross my path as i can.

If changing my ideals and thoughts are a bad thing then i suggest you take a look at your morals. Its not so wrong to be wrong them admit it. Goodness you guys have no idea how good it is to read back though my old posts and see how much i HAVE changed. You never no i might even be converted to like joinup??!! ;D

so i am happy to reply to anything you have to say, and again, thank you for finding those posts it just confirms what i already new about myself

xxx

[melissa]

I loved reading your post monet I also feel that this world has become pretty hostile

[monet]

Jan 31, 2009 21:51:13 GMT 1 melissa said:

I loved reading your post monet I also feel that this world has become pretty hostile

yes it has, but remember there are a lot of good people in this world also.

My other half and i were lying in bed the other night when we watched Jamie saves the bacon. i forced my self to watch the slaughter of a pig and the tail docking and i have to admit it upset me, i said to Nathan, as humans we really are cruel and he said, yes but not as cruel as some. he meant that some animals don't get the luxury of a clean slaughter house, or a short trip to the slaughter house. and some animals die a painful and lonely death when treated cruelty. It also made me realize that death is not such a bad thing, because it brings relief. but while we can do something we musty try.

[melissa]

Jan 31, 2009 22:05:35 GMT 1 monet said:

Jan 31, 2009 21:51:13 GMT 1 melissa said:

I loved reading your post monet I also feel that this world has become pretty hostile

yes it has, but remember there are a lot of good people in this world also.

I know, I just wish there were more! You were very brave watching that programme....I couldn't

[Caroline]

Dear monet,

Rescue is a tough path to tread - particularly at the moment. I work for a rescue that gets dogs off death row, sometimes with less than an hour before they are due to be killed. It's stressful and traumatic work, but hugely rewarding too. Every time we clear one PTS list and gets the dogs to safety, we get sent another list. The demand never ends and just seems to get worse.

Part of my job is to phone round rescues and ask the rescues to take the dogs. So I talk to a lot of rescues, across the UK, every day. I am hearing the same things everywhere - it's so hard, they are so full and overworked and under-resourced. People are still breeding too many dogs, failing to look after them, selling to bad homes who in turn beat and neglect the dogs before tossing them onto the streets or into the pound - where the council will pay 7 days boarding if they get PTS at the end of it.

One rescue lady said to me this week "It is part of my day to shed a tear". I think that says it all.

The pressure is unrelenting and unbearable for people who love enough to actually do the job. The compromises we are forced to make are soul-wrenching. Some rescue people are now saying "you can't save them all" and are opting to rescue only easily-homed dogs - leaving the others to die or be picked up by charities like the one I work for - which in turn is under incredible stress.

So I say - good for you! You are doing the rescue work and that's all that matters. Thank God you did change your mind about things if that's what it took to light a fire in you.

I understand people are questioning the economic sense of saving an overseas animal when several could be saved domestically for the same money. The thing is, once a person becomes cold-minded enough to make that kind of decision, it isn't long before they are cold hearted enough not to really bother at all.

I see that too in some rescues. There is a certain breed rescue that has about £30k in the bank, yet only keeps one or two dogs in rescue kennels at a time. They have no problem in saying "you can't save them all" to me when I ring them to beg them to take 1 of 20 of their breed each week. They don't seem to care that thousands of the breed they claim to rescue are being killed each year. They have gone into that cold-headed state and sailed straight into cold-hearted and are now hardly effective at all.

I say "follow your heart" and keep that fire burning. People will be inspired and one by one we will change the world. You don't change people's hearts by saying "you can't save them all" but you do inspire people everytime you share your love and demonstrate how hard you are prepared to work to put that love into action.

Keep up the good work - and do let me know if I can ever help you...or if your rescue can take a dog or two! We post most of the dogs we are trying to save on this site:

rescuehelpersunite.forumotion.com

There is also a rescue appeals email list for rescue workers - so anyone in rescue reading this is very welcome to email me and I will make sure you get the appeal emails. We need as much help and as many contacts as we can!

Best Regards

Caroline

[Casper]

Feb 2, 2009 1:03:31 GMT 1 Caroline said:

I understand people are questioning the economic sense of saving an overseas animal when several could be saved domestically for the same money. The thing is, once a person becomes cold-minded enough to make that kind of decision, it isn't long before they are cold hearted enough not to really bother at all.

I trust that that comment wasn't aimed at me Caroline. I am not cold minded or cold hearted and donate a fair amount of time and money to UK Horse Charities. And incidentally to a particular Dog Rescue Charity too.

We are allowed to have different opinions, and for me when you see stacks of UK horses needing homes, the Rescue Homes full to overflowing and worst to come I will stand by what I wrote.

It is up to Monet what she chooses to do and I commend her for helping the animals that she does. It is up to me whether I choose to support French or UK Rescues.

[Caroline]

It wasn't aimed at you Casper. Lots of people express this view and it is the view that I am responding to, not any individual.

It's wonderful that you contribute to rescue. I wish more people did likewise!

Best regards

Caroline

[monet]

I just wanted to let you no that we have managed to raise the money for this little lady and her unborn foal.


They will hopefully be on there way to us here in Devon very soon. we still need more for the trait mare but we are getting there.

many thanks to those who have donated.

also i have been over whelmed by emails and phone calls from people wanting to help the world horse welfare (ilph) and there "make a noise campaign so thats good news, i have been directing people to the web site. so go on check it out and sign up to help and MAKE A NOISE www.ilph.org/makeanoise/

lots of love

Debbie x

[mags]

Monet sorry to ask you but dont know who else to ask. Do you know iv anything is been done about the supposed safe house where some rescue horses are been kept... but are ending up in a worse state than when they came

[monet]

Mar 7, 2009 18:27:21 GMT 1 mags said:

Monet sorry to ask you but dont know who else to ask. Do you know iv anything is been done about the supposed safe house where some rescue horses are been kept... but are ending up in a worse state than when they came

i have to admit i have been following the posts on this subject but felt not able to reply or have any opinion due to the fact it had nothing to do with ES as they do not use any kind of "safe house"

as far as i am aware the mare in question has been seen by a vet and her new owner and has a clean bill of health bar the fact she is under weight and neede worming etc etc and it was recommend for her to stay were she was for her care and not be moved until her final trip to the UK.

i have also been told that some members of another forum are trying to get a stop on ALL the French sites and have started a campaign.

hope that helps?

[lynette]

2 of those horses in the supposed safe haven came back to England on Sunday moved by an illegal transporter.

13 are on their way back now including the one with the severely damaged hind leg and he has been on the lorry since Monday morning and are only just getting to Calais this lunchtime again being moved by an illegal transporter though not the same one as moved the above.

Some rescue and welfare.

Is it any wonder why this type of rescue should be stopped especially when some of them coming back don't even have homes to go to but a dealer's yard.