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Post by debandmolly1 on Nov 4, 2008 11:12:36 GMT 1
hi, i dont want to get on but the vet says he wants her lightly ridden to see how she behaves, i know what you are all saying i dont think either of us are ready ill speak to him and see what he says on thursday, the shock wave treatment is apparantly electric shock waves applied to the legs and to her back where the pain seems to be, she has two vertibri which are quite close together, apparantly it helps the nerves heal or deadens them im not sure which inside her legs which should stop the pain in her ligaments, the ligaments are all inflamed inside her legs, im going to stay with her on thursday so ill see what they do, they have to sedate her to do it so i dont think its very nice, not looking forward to it but im curious myself as to what they are doing, if i can stomach it, i hate seeing my ponies in pain im a right wooss ill let you all know on thursday night
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Post by debandmolly1 on Nov 6, 2008 21:52:16 GMT 1
molly had her 2nd lot of treatment today!, it was interesting to watch actually, she was sedated and its just like a scanning machine when you have a baby, they shaved her legs and back, put a jelly on them, then went over all the areas with this scanning thing!, it sends electric shocks into the affected area and apparently although there is some numbing apparantley it stimulates the blood flow which helps to heal the inflammation, she never batted an eyelid bless her and it looked quite painful, the vet says they have done it on them selfs and its definetly painful, i made sure she had a shot of painkiller this time before she left and when i let her go when we got home she ran up the field with her back legs going in all different directions again but she was fine in herself, i can honestly say she seems fine i just think the numbing bit is whats causing that ill see how she is over the next week,the fluid build up that she normally gets in her back still hasnt re appeared so i think its working, the masssage therapist is coming monday to see if she can see an improvement in the painful areas and i feel sure she will, i keep you all posted
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Post by mandal on Nov 7, 2008 19:56:54 GMT 1
Thanks for the update and and explanation, it seems the discoordinated/gangly/wobbly legs are a possible side effect of the treatment. It will be interesting to see what changes the massage therapist notices... In the meantime (((((((((hugs)))))))))) to you both.
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Post by Cameo on Nov 7, 2008 22:41:22 GMT 1
HI Debs, Thank you for your updates. Good to hear that the vet is trying shockwave therapy for her pain. Does this mean he thinks there is a bit of ISDP (kissing spines?). There were some threads on it recently if you want to know more.
Hoping you are getting to the bottom if this now. Well done you for persevering!
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Post by debandmolly1 on Nov 7, 2008 22:49:31 GMT 1
thanks mandal she was i terrible pain tonight bless her, when dad turned her out this morning she was fine flew up the field bucking and jumping about so i didnt think she needed any bute but she was awful tonight so the injection yesterday must of worn off, when i brought her in i could see she wasnt right, when she stood in the stable she kind of whinned then lashed out a couple of times with her back leg making two holes in the stable wall, she stood there with her head down and i could see the pain in her eyes, fortunatley id added the bute when i seen her walking in the paddock, i stayed with her for a while and she was very quiet, i think the bute works quite quickly but i sent my husband down to check on her an hour later and she hadnt done it again so im assuming shes ok, i think it must of been like stabbing pains in her legs because she doesnt normally do this, bless her im just hoping im doing the right thing by her id hate to think she was going through all this and it still wont make her better, i got the insurance papers back from the vets today, it says that the results of this treatment is not necessarily going to cure her and she might never be cured which un nerved me a bit, the bills already at nearly £2000.00 im just praying the insurance company will pay it, thnks for the hugs we really appreciate them.
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Post by debandmolly1 on Nov 7, 2008 22:52:15 GMT 1
thanks cameo, the vet says she has two vertibre that are relatively close but nothing major but whilst he's doing her legs he doing the sore areas of her back too, kill two birds with one stone i think, heres hoping its working
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Post by debandmolly1 on Nov 11, 2008 15:41:01 GMT 1
hi, had to ring the vet again today!!!!!!!!!!!!, for some reason molly has taken to kicking the sable walls at night, i thought when she did it on friday it was pain related, she is on bute twice a day and its not making any difference, she had massage therapy last night and apparantly her right side is a million times better, her posture is better, her hamstrings on both sides are a lot better but she still has a lot of pain on the left side from the withers to the part where the saddle ends, but all in all a lot better than she was, dad rang me this morning to tell me she has kicked nine panels out the front of the stable, why?, i rang the vet and he says this is not pain related, he says its either the fireworks or a behaviourable problem, he also said that she may be at the end of her season and it could be that, he recommend that i leave her out for a while but i cant do this, if i bring tinkerbelle (my daughters pony) in and leave molly out she goes bullistick and jumps out of her paddocks, i wont sleep at night knowing shes going mad looking for tink so thats not an option, he said she could go on something called regimate for her hormoness but apparantly this is £40 plus a month, ive just spent £40 on kicking boards for her stable and shes gone straight through them, fortunatley ive had her shoes taken off or god knows what damage she will do, im afraid she is going to hurt herself, i have been and got some product from NAF for her today thats surposed to help her hormones but that wont work instantly, any ideas anybody, CAMEO, MANDAL HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mandal on Nov 11, 2008 19:51:56 GMT 1
Well it sounds like the therapy is working so that's great news. What is your situation...are Molly and Tink at livery or home? Can they both stay out?? Is there a barn where they could be in together?? Has she still got hay in the morning?? Can Molly and Tink see/touch each other when they are in?? Kicking can be a sign of boredom and frustration so that's why I've made the above suggestions. Has anthing in their routine changed which may be a factor? Could a pen be made in front of her stable so that she can move more...possibly done with electric tape??? This could be a large area that fronts both their stables. This is providing there is little danger of one of them getting boxed in by the other. I'm more of trying to find the possible cause and if possible change things to help rather than giving calmers etc. if the cause is not physical Deb. Hopefully Cameo and others will have more ideas. Try and stay calm and think it through there might be a simple solution. Hope there is some help in my ramblings. More (((((((hugs)))))))
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Post by debandmolly1 on Nov 11, 2008 21:51:11 GMT 1
hi mandal, once again thanks for the hugsi need them believe me im about ready to give up, molly and tink are at my field i have 5 acres all split up into 6 paddocks and three acres in the middle i use for hay, there stables are next to each other and they can see each other through the middle because the wood is slatted between the two, we did this for molly because when i bought her she shared a garage! with another horse at the back of a pub with barely enough room to walk round and a 3 foot wall between the two so they had full contact all the time and i thought she would settle better being able to see tink, they are not allowed together because molly is a bully in the field, when she first started jumping out of the paddock i put my foal (tinks daughter) in with her as a companion but she ran her into the ground, so i seperated them, molly and tink are not close at all!the foal has been sold, but when i take tink out for a hack with my daughter molly goes mad so she has to come in, if ever they do say hello to each other molly always squeals her head of and lashes out so they are never allowed together to graze, ive hacked them both out together in the past and they are fine, mollys stable is huge now so it isnt the fact its too small, when i bought her she never saw a field all winter just stayed in this garage and now she goes out at 8 in the morning and comes in at 4.30 at night, she has always got some hay left in a morning and is normally very quiet in the stable unless tinks out of sight, where she has kicked is where she stands face to face with tink so im thinking it may be the same as what she does in the field, tinks saying hello and mollys being mardy, im going to block half that of tomorrow so when she stands there tink cant say hello, if they cant see each other then molly will not be in kicking distance of any walls, as for leaving them both out i dont think id sleep at night knowing they were out in all weathers and to be honest with you they are both waiting to come in when i get there, i just open the gates and they go in alone, they cant get in quick enough especially if its windy or its raining, ive told dad tonight ive had enough im fed up of him ringing me saying shes done this or done that and ive got to find the answers i havent got, ive worked it out and ive spend £237.00 on molly in the last 2 weeks alone in vets fees, massage therapist, kicking boards and now this suppliment and i cant carry on, if i could go down tack her up and go for a quiet hack around our beautiful countryside which im surrounded by i wouldnt mind but im doing all this and breaking myself for a horse that the next time i do get on may well chuck me off and probably kill me next time, sorry but its all getting a bit much now and its starting to tell on me a bit
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Post by mandal on Nov 11, 2008 22:07:51 GMT 1
Oh heck...I'm way off then. Try and see the improvevment in Molly. Gosh it must be so hard when you're worried and frustrated to have your Dad phoning. You are doing all you can and Molly is a lucky horse, things will get better...
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Post by Cameo on Nov 12, 2008 14:09:40 GMT 1
Hi Debs, sorry to hear you hare having other issues. But do look on the positive side. Sometimes when everything seems to be going wrong there are three things you can do - a) give up and find a new home for Molly, b) take an overview - try to think objectively and don't let it get to you, c) take each problem/issue/challenge as a small thing and work with that.
How was Molly when you first got her - when did the kicking the stable wall start?
If we can trace that, then perhaps we can start to solve it. Kicking boards are expensive and horses can kick through a lot! If she kicking towards Tinks? I have come across a heroes similar to Molly in her behaviour towards other horses and I feel it can sometimes be hormonal - but some horses do feel frustrated at being in for such long hours over the winter - is there anyway you could put a pen outside the stable so that she can access it when she has eaten her feed? Other horses feel threatened by the proximity of another horses during feeding time - even if it is their pair-bond.
You could try hanging some prickly gorse on the walls where she is kicking to dissuade her...more work I know.
It is hard if your dad is phoning you - but it may be that the fireworks were disturbing her. She is obviously frustrated or frightened...there are no night time visitors near you are there (not trying to scare you, just thinking of ideas), perhaps even foxes or badgers or stray dogs?
Does she have issues with other ponies you day? She isn't turned out with them because she bullies them?
How long has this behaviour gone on? Another question might be to contact her previous owners - they might be able to shed some light on her behaviour.
Of course, it may be that all the treatment is becoming too much - I have seen horses act "bad-tempered" with all the injections, fiddling about, strangers "doing things" etc - no disrespect to any of the practitioners of course - after all, I am one myself!!
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Post by debandmolly1 on Nov 12, 2008 18:47:32 GMT 1
thanks cameo, she has only done it this last week and now she seems to have stopped, she was as quiet as a mouse this moring when i turned her out, i do think its a hormone thing now so we will see what the oestress i think its called does, im going to start ignoring what she does more and stop taking any notice of dad, i think we watch her far too much and notice every little thing an thats most of the problem, i am going to treat her more like a horse and not a human and we will see how it goes, DAD has been old the same, fingers crossed it will work
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Post by tomrabbit on Nov 13, 2008 14:49:54 GMT 1
I haven't really go any pearls of wisdom for you, only heaps and heaps sympathy. I know what its like to put all your time, energy and money into a horse, when the relationship seems to be all one way, and they don't appreciate your efforts. It is really soul destroying, particularly when you can't see an end in sight. Regarding the stable kicking - we had a horse lodging with us temporarily who wouldn't be stabled, and freaked out if left alone in the field. The solution for us was to tie up haynets in the part of the field nearest to the stables, which he munched on quite happily all night, as he could still see the other 2. If that hadn't worked, I would have left 1 or all of them out 24/7. No, I wouldn't have been happy that my 2 were out in all weather, but on the other hand, I know it wouldn't kill them either, especially with a nice big rug on! As to whether you should give up on Molly ... I'm sure plenty of people would already have done so, and if that is eventually the choice you make, don't beat yourself up about it. You can't go on like this for ever, emotionally or financially. Having said that, you may find it very difficult to get someone else to take her on, particularly at this time of year, and given what you have already invested in her (time, money, emotion), it would be a shame to give up before you have finished exploring all possible ways to help her. You've come so far since you started this, and learned such a lot about her, and maybe you are just reaching the lowest point, before things start to look up. A final thought - given what you know about her previous lodgings, it wouldn't be surprising if she did have some behavioural issues. I think some horses take a very long time to adapt to change, even when the change is good. My daughter's horse has very recently shown a marked change in his attitude to life with us, a full year after we got him, and I think it is down to him finally feeling 'at home'. He's like a different horse. Healing thoughts to Molly, and (((hugs))) to you. You're doing a great job, and I'm sure everyone who has followed your story will be thinking of you.
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Post by debandmolly1 on Nov 13, 2008 21:58:14 GMT 1
hi tomrabbit, i honestly think you have hit the nail on the head, ive had molly nearly a year now and i think she is so happy to have a good home at last the true molly is showing her true colours, the life she lead was appalling and she looked so pore when i bought her you wouldnt believe she was the same animal, i dont think she had the strength to do anything so she just did as she was told and that was that, im not giving up just yet and you are right in what you say after all this nobody in there right mind would buy her, they would want to ride her for a start and that might still be a no so shes no good to anybody but me, its surprising what 2 nice meals a day, a field full of grass and a stable to die for can do when youve had no field, no grass and a garage for a home with no bedding other than months of manure, a rug that doesnt fit and a bit a haylage chucked in the corner, nice to hear from you again thanks for the hugs, (((((((((hugs back to everybody keeping me going through this)))))))))
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Post by madhatter on Nov 14, 2008 11:03:56 GMT 1
Hi debandmolly - I have a mare who has hormonal problems and have put her on hormonise (I have seen someone else on this site who has too) and it has made a huge difference. It is cheaper than regumate and, in my opinion, not quite as "severe". It comes in a 2.5L bottle and you give them 40ml per day, so it lasts quite a while. Different things work for different horses though. It only took about a week before I noticed the difference so quite quick too. If you can't afford to test hormonise with the possibility that it won't work for her, I would be quite happy to send you a bit of mine to "try out". Simone is also stabled next to a mare who is on regumate, but despite that the other mare still kicks out at the stable walls when fed if there are any other neds in sight. Makes for a rather loud feed time.
Well done for all your efforts and good luck with whatever you do.
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