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Post by sarahfox on Dec 24, 2007 23:43:11 GMT 1
Just precisely when was I rude to you paddywak? I havent abused or insulted you at any point,it is your defensiveness that makes you feel that way. I never suggested that the pony was neglected or beaten,just that it didnt look happy about the gag or martingale,or the tight rein contact. You are yourself acknowledging this,which is great,I certainly didnt suggest that no bits or martingales should be used at any time,and I wouldnt suggest that you take them off and immediately go round a course of jumps. I would suggest that you lay off the jumping for a while and concentrate on the flatwork that you are already doing,until you are in a position to safely replace the gag and martingale with good schooling. It may be worth having her back/teeth etc checked also as if she has been ridden in that manner for some time there could be underlying physical problems.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 24, 2007 23:47:00 GMT 1
nasty? nativeponydressage? WHEN? Please point out where I have been nasty?
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Post by paddywak on Dec 24, 2007 23:50:47 GMT 1
you can turn it round to try and make me look like some paranoid idiot but you now full well u were rude and in future maybe find out a little more before mouthing off like that. Yes i fully intend to improve the ponies schooling and if you had of approached the situation like that in the first place you would have got a perfectly polite reply as i am greatful to anyone who is prepared to take the time to comment constructively and not being a total fool i have had the ponies teeth back legs etc checked and she was fully vetted before purchase and there is nothing wrong with her other than the results of other peoples misconduct.
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Post by kpick on Dec 24, 2007 23:56:42 GMT 1
Actually, I like the pony. She looks a sweet type to me and very honest. Yes, theres faults in everyones riding, and what I would do to be able to ride perfectly, but no one can so we deal with it. Why do people fall off, why do people get left behind? Because we had a 'temporary blip', thats all. However, I do agree with Sarah about your contact, being maybe a tad bit tight, but until you get used to the pony then maybe your doing the safest thing for yourself, I dont know as I dont know the pony in question, then again, I see a nice enough release over the jumps so the pony has enough room to stretch so the contact on the flat shouldnt be overly important at this stage. The flatwork will come, trust me. My lad is just turned 19, and he has only just learnt how to do the whole 'head in, on the contact, hocks under him kind of thing', so age doesn't mean they wont learn! Good luck with that one though, looks lovely.
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Post by paddywak on Dec 24, 2007 23:56:54 GMT 1
thank you nativeponydressage for your comment and a merry xmas to you! Its not only with horses you continue learning for ever so maybe just maybe sarahfox will take a leafout of your book and learn to behave better on an open forum! x x Rommi- she has hunted in the past but not for a while my instructor feels it will benifit her as although she is keen she has had a fright over the sjs and we feel one of two outings this winter on the hunting field may just do the trick, the pony is not strong on flat or hacking just jumping as she gets excited, and hunting is what she really enjoys so we feel it may be the right thing to do, if it fizzes her up and takes hermind off her schooling we will not tak eher again for a while.
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Post by rach20uk on Dec 24, 2007 23:57:35 GMT 1
Have to say i agree with Rummi (can i share your hat?).
If she is in the middle of being retrained and hasnt been worked properly in a year why is she showjumping or going hunting? Surely that defeats the whole object? If you are trying to get her to steady up and be more responsive then all that needs to stop for a while and you need to get her working with you not against you, which is what she is currently doing (based on your video and your comments) You need to start from basics or you will keep undoing the work you have done.
Echo Rummi again i dont want to get sworn at or have my head bitten off either. You asked for honest opinions and personally my honest opinion is the schooling you are doing will be pointless or at least take double the time unless you go right back to basics with her. She is fighting you all the way and so there is something she is not happy with or she doesnt understand other than run to this and jump it.
I have had horses that fight like she does so i sympathise it is a lot of hard work and right now you may need the martingale and gag but jumping and hunting her will not be helping either of you. Your contact right now is definately tight will give her a dead mouth if she hasnt already got one and that is very hard to undo. Sorry to say you are pulling at her mouth too - with a contact that tight the slightest movement will be a jab to her.
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 24, 2007 23:58:27 GMT 1
Paddywack, to be absolutely specific, when you fold into jumping position, you pull your hands back. However, I would agree with you that this pony has been ridden in a similiar manner for a long time, as the underside of her neck is more muscled than the top-line.
Sarah is one of the most sensitive, elegant and knowledgable riders I know, and I know a lot of very good riders. You would do well to listen to her when she comments, she has a better eye and judgement than many people you would pay a lot of money to be trained by.
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Post by paddywak on Dec 24, 2007 23:59:40 GMT 1
thank you kpick for your comment, she truely is a fantastic pony and im sure everything will come together with time. I agree currently i am riding her with a stronger contact than i would like but do try to soften over a fence and im sure with more time and correct training we will both improve x
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Post by rach20uk on Dec 25, 2007 0:02:46 GMT 1
Wanted to add with a lot of schooling and work she can and i am sure she will be a gorgeous little girl and i wish you all the best of luck with this long (hopefully not too long) road ahead
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Post by paddywak on Dec 25, 2007 0:03:58 GMT 1
thank you all for your comments. The pony is a very intelligent pony and as yet has not had trouble concentrating on the flat whilst jumping and hacking and doing other stuff. Unfortunately i do not have all the time in the world and am not going to keep her for ever although i wish i could and she needs to keep her eye in for her jumping whilst schooling. ALthough i definatly do agree that in an ideal world she would work on flat for a good couple of months, but in this case it is not possible.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 25, 2007 0:05:04 GMT 1
Paddywack,I actually think you have a super position,perhaps I should have started my op by saying that!What got me was the way you called her a machine,and then I saw a vid of a pony flying round a course in a gag and martingale,and tossing her head. Fair enough,you say you are working on her,and you know her problems,and are working on getting her calm and going softly in a snaffle, thats great,so why are we arguing exactly?!
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Post by kpick on Dec 25, 2007 0:06:32 GMT 1
Because Sarah, your both silly buggers, so stop arguing and lets have xmas in harmooony! ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 25, 2007 0:08:14 GMT 1
Sarah is arguing because Santa is not delivering her present until 4th January and she's got PMT.
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Post by kpick on Dec 25, 2007 0:09:15 GMT 1
Sarah is arguing because Santa is not delivering her present until 4th January and she's got PMT. More to the point.
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Post by rummi on Dec 25, 2007 0:09:46 GMT 1
ooh I do like a good firework display - stand back every one!!!!
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