dingbat
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Post by dingbat on Dec 29, 2007 15:00:24 GMT 1
there is no lack of praise and reward. a reward doesnt have to be a massive pat or a 'whos a good boy' - and since when did the horse undertand that anyway?
in western - the relaese of pressure is the reward. hence why the horse does what its asked (if there was no reward the horses wouldnt learn!). a reward may also be a rest for a moment or 2. i'd have said the same before western lessons but my eyes have now been opened.
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Post by annabelle h on Dec 29, 2007 15:00:36 GMT 1
Personally I can't stand those calendars with the topless women in them - very sexist. Annabelle - high on Beechams Extra Strength Cold & Flu
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 15:09:40 GMT 1
Dingbat!!! Did I catch you arguing???!! Go and post on the other thread!! Very norty,thats 360 days up the norty tree without booze for you!
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Post by Lulu on Dec 29, 2007 15:35:44 GMT 1
Bad thing about parelli (and most other horsey methods) is that none of their DVD's are subtitled are they ? So I can't follow the DVD's if I tried, so I don't
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Post by Catrin on Dec 29, 2007 16:03:10 GMT 1
it's a marketing system, not a horse management one personal development as a horse 'understander' is not allowed any system that is based on 'true because X says so' invalidates itself straight away
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 16:37:49 GMT 1
This is funny!! Sarah you have learnt to be a diplomat!!! I taught you everything you know he he
A bad thing about parelli is the way some folk end up bullying their horses to do what they want them to do instead of using feel and timing. This is not the fault of parelli himself just the way it can go.
And yes some horses get sooooo switched off due to the same old 7 blinkin games being done over and over and over .... Pleeeeeze move on as soon as you can do them so your neddy doesnt slit his hooves with boredom.
They get it so much quicker than us.
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Post by sooty on Dec 29, 2007 18:38:16 GMT 1
Personally I can't stand those calendars with the topless women in them - very sexist. Annabelle - high on Beechams Extra Strength Cold & Flu ;D ... tyres are pretty good though!
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Vic
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Post by Vic on Dec 29, 2007 18:43:40 GMT 1
I just don't like the idea that you do X, Y and Z and there you go, your horse will do what you want.....i don't see it as like that, horse are all different and learn in different ways and you need to be flexible in working with them so that you can tailor what your are doing to how they want to learn. To me you need to learn a mind set, a way of looking at things soley about what will be easiest for the particular horse you are working with and then be prepared to work outside the box a bit if you need.
Plus the cheesy marketing does my head in......however amazing example of how to establish and market a brand from a business point of view!!!
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 18:47:43 GMT 1
No Butterfly, You are completely wrong,I am not being diplomatic atall,I am still being rude and blunt as usual,just in a different way! What fun! Actually,I personally think you need both vic,technique,and soul.
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 18:50:58 GMT 1
How dare you say I am wrong ... I thought there were no arguments on this thread!!! Both vic, technique and soal. what is vic? and thats three!!! I personally think it is all about inner strength and carrots.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 18:52:35 GMT 1
The 7 games arent really for the horse atall,they are for the human,most horses get the whole lot in about half an hour,humans take months! Oops! thats not really a bad thing is it?! Well,I suppose the bad bit is the humans that dont understand that.
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 18:53:40 GMT 1
Ive just said that you thief!!!
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 18:55:44 GMT 1
Away with you!!!!
You norty butterfly!!!
Off back up the norty tree before the ferrets come!!
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 18:56:46 GMT 1
No!!
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Post by SarahW on Dec 29, 2007 19:25:02 GMT 1
Latest DVD in which he says that he wouldn't make a horse do more than 100 to 200 circuits of the round corall without changing direction. How many???!!!
Latest DVD in which he clearly hits a horse that hesitates for a millisecond and then says "Did I get him; "darn" right I did"
Latest DVD in which he says that it is a waste of time taking a bucket of water to a wild horse that has already got half a bucket of water - you want them making sucking faces out of the bars.....
Latest DVD in which he promotes Imprinting - he's apparently working on 4th generation imprinted horses.
The way that he seems to expect unquestioning obedience off humans and horses; the horses I have met that have been Parellied might be able to do the seven games but they have missed the point altogether. To me groundwork is about asking the horse to accept you as a leader not about putting the horse on cues so that it can go to sleep inbetween. Mind numbing. Some of the Parelli people I have met have forgotten everything they know about common sense/ horse sense horsemanship and can't find their way back there.
The local Parelli instructor who went to see two New Forest ponies to halter train them, didn't ask the owner how far she had got, lassoed them in a steep field where they fled through electric fencing and then fastened the other end around a tree to stop the foal running. He had put the rope around the foal's tummy not it's neck and it ended up screaming upside down in a ditch. (As recommended by a local vet).
Shall I stop now??
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