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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 10:22:29 GMT 1
SarahW,you didnt make it atall!! I think you will have to join iwillbenorty in the tree! LizP did though! That is probably one of THE best things about it!
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 10:23:21 GMT 1
We can have a balanced board if you like though,who wants to start a thread thats only allowed to say bad things about parelli?!
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Post by jennyb on Dec 29, 2007 10:37:47 GMT 1
The only good thing about parelli as far as I can see is from the point of view of the company owners - they must be raking it in from flogging so many over-priced courses, equipment and dvds.
Am I banned from the thread now?!
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 10:40:26 GMT 1
My journey on the be kind to horses route started with Bob Mayhew ... a western man. Then Parelli which I have to admit taught me alot .... yes yes I too have those horrid rope halters.
Then that took me to meet KFC mmmm learnt the spiritual stuff with him.
But my conclusion to the whole game is that all the Natural horsmanship methods have one thing in common .... the horse comes first. But I think everyone will find their own method which is likely to be bits of alsorts.
Look out for The Training Horses the Butterfly Way book. he he
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Post by horsiehelen on Dec 29, 2007 10:40:31 GMT 1
I think you need the balance. Otherwise people like me (ie who know nothing about what yous are on about) *could* go away thinking that parelli is a good thing after reading this thread.
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Post by laura on Dec 29, 2007 10:41:22 GMT 1
good things........ for people who have never considered any NH / IH * promotes thinking of you look at "his" methods in the same way that you should at ALL methods .Think, evaluate, question and understand why and how whatever you do will be relvant to you and your horse. * asks humans to look at the differing psychologies / types of horses * empasises the importance of groundwork. * permission to take a bit out and reassures that the human will not die * does not forbid titbits watching the masterclasses on tv I find better than the initial standardised stuff I saw many years ago
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 10:43:03 GMT 1
Of course you are banned jb! Mind you I dont think you have been down from the norty tree for some months have you?! Ok,HH,will start the new thread.I do think it works better like this though as arguments tend to get over emotive about Parelli and cloud the issue.
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Post by Silversons on Dec 29, 2007 11:10:38 GMT 1
'Tin hat going on' lol
I sell quite a few youngsters, where i only ever let them go to homes that i feel are going to be good, not always have they heaps of experpirance with youngsters.
When asked i will always suggest that people take a look at the parelli programs. my reasons, it is always better to have some help than no help, it helps people tro think about and try new methods where as before they would result to getting cross and beating the horse for misstakes that they were makeing.
With parelli there are step by step instructions and help when thisarn't going well, as well as on line support.
For the people that have had my babies and followed advice, they are ending up with well rounded horses and becoming better horsemen/women to.
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Post by cokey on Dec 29, 2007 13:47:17 GMT 1
I love that my horses like me now.
I love that my mare will load beautifully now.
I love that I now will ALWAYS (try to!) look at horse behaviour as feedback, and that I will be polite and respectful towards my horses and their wishes.
I like the fact that the Parelli program has taught me pretty much everything I know about horse psychology, and different "horsenalities", and that each horse is an individual and should be treated as such.
I love the fact that I'm now the proud owner of a TB mare that can be ridden at all paces on a loose rein without freaking out, whereas before I was the despairing owner of a TB mare that would go b*gger off with a pelham in and would refuse point blank to canter without losing the plot.
I love the way that the PNH levels program are meant to be the "foundation". From there, you can move on to "performance" in any sphere that you like, with a well rounded, calm, sensible horse with whom you've got a fantastic relationship.
I love the way that I can play with my mare at liberty and she chooses to be with me.
And soooo much more. ;D
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Post by Cheryl Walmsley on Dec 29, 2007 13:50:12 GMT 1
I wondered where you were Cokey....well done!
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Post by dingbat on Dec 29, 2007 14:56:29 GMT 1
I have just watched an hour of it on H&C TV. I have to admit i've not paid loads of attention to it.
firstly - most of it comes from a western approach (which is - i assume - Pat's background). which, having recently gone western myself, i understand, its different. it also works. but - to english followers, seems wrong and strange. i'd like to tell any one on here to go and have a go on a western horse (a proper one), even if its only once! you'll be shocked.
secondly it works on pressure and consistency. many of us lack it. thats our problem with horses. they ride in halters with minimal pressure. a 'problem' horse also went in and he worked with the horse (and owner) and showed him a different way to the hitting and beating. it was lovely to watch.
His wife also - riding quite dressage style on a WB. Doing flying changes and walk to canter, passage etc with the horse carrying itself on a loose contact lovely. the horse was relaxed and in fact, gave me a better feeling than these hyped up WBs at high level dressage comps with muscles as hard as rock and bitted up to the eyeballs with a short rein contact in a hig carriage.
I didnt see anything i didnt like. i'm not saying there wont be and i'm not saying its perfect. but each and every one of us here will do something not perfect with their horse that someone else disagrees with.
the horses are relaxed and far from switched off. we just arent used to seeing them relaxed, we usually have them alert and think thats better? western horses often have the same look about them. but actually, they are well in tune to you and if you do something you dont know you have done - the horse is going off to the left or right etc and you dont know why! it listens to you all the time. it stops when you 'think' stop. and not because its scared of you or you are hauling on a hunk of metal in its mouth. some riders use curbs i admit, which i dont like but you hardly see contact on them. not like double bridles etc english riders use.
so before we critisise, maybe we should think when we are whacking that piece of metal in our horses mouth, whipping it, using spurs and kicking, pulling etc and who said that was the 'right' way?
i personally like to watch all sorts and take what i want from each. many people on this forum arent IH totally and do other things and also some are probably not very IH at all, although like the idea in principle. we dont all know each poster!?
most people either think its wonderful or cant see past the gimmicks. but to those of you that cant see past the bouncy balls, slipping ropes etc, i think you should look a little harder.
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 15:06:45 GMT 1
Nice posts guys!
Now,dont anybody DARE to argue with any of that on here!!! If you must then save it for the other thread,otherwise the ferrets will be out.....
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 16:33:37 GMT 1
This is funny!! Sarah you have learnt to be a diplomat!!! I taught you everything you know he he
I love parelli because he has given alot of people who otherwise would be in a right mess with their horses a way forward. It is a fantastic starting point for anyone.
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Post by Sue Palmer on Dec 29, 2007 18:33:03 GMT 1
My mare (homebred, now 14yrs old) is on permanent loan to a Parelli level 3 student, who I first met when she was at the point of just about managing to stay on her horse and definitely couldn't walk or trot with enough control to do a circle! I believe that she is very happy and thoroughly enjoys her work, and she now not only does ridden work but is driven as well, and has helped my friend's novice partner to learn to ride.
I think that there is something to be learnt from everyone, even if it's learning things that you don't like rather than you do like. I have my Parelli level 1 as well as being a Recommended Associate, I have found that apart from my own learning along the way, this helps me hugely when I'm working with people and horses who are following the Parelli program.
To me, Intelligent Horsemanship is exactly what it says on the box - being Intelligent about your Horsemanship! So whatever you read / watch / hear etc, as long as you apply the principles of IH then I believe you're heading in the right direction!
Sue
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 18:50:01 GMT 1
Fantastic Sue. I couldnt agree more.
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