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Post by Cobstar on Jul 27, 2007 16:30:07 GMT 1
I was lucky enough to see Jenny Franklin (a long time pupil of the wonderful Sylvia Stanier) give a marvellous long reining lecture demo as part of a CRC Open Day at Catherston many years ago.
Since then I've been fortunate to watch a couple of lecture demos that Sylvia Stanier has given - with Jenny and Sam doing the demo. Sylvia Stanier teaches the Danish method and it is fascinating and makes so much sense. I'd encourage anyone interested in long reining to get a copy of Sylvia Stanier's wonderful book on the subject. I think Jenny is planning to do a DVD which will be fantastic.
Long reining is so versatile and can be used right up to the highest levels of dressage. Now there's something to aspire to.
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Post by joanne1 on Jul 27, 2007 21:01:24 GMT 1
Rubber chickens, police hats, whatever next!! I'm so glad i put this thread on ifeel now like i know you all especially derek!!! I so glad i turned to IH to join you bunch of nutters! (thats a compliment by the way) Thanks i have learnt a lot, keep going i wonder how long this will keep going!!!
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Post by joanne1 on Jul 27, 2007 21:09:37 GMT 1
Yesterday i lunged one of the horses on the yard and got him going very nicely, extended trot down the long side and into collected trot then walk etc, This i found really enjoy able but this lunging i have done for many years. I today have long reined magic i am still trying to get the hang of it I did get her trotting! which was good but sometimes i'm bloody knackered i know i need to keep her moving more forward but i think if i didn't mess with my lines so much then she would keep going.
Who long lines with one hand and who uses two which do you think is best/ easier, i'm trying so hard to do with one hand. I am better out on the roads so this also makes me think our surface in the paddock is too deep as i always feel my feet are two ft behind my body. I am taking it all in guys i need to master this long lining,
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Jul 27, 2007 21:35:36 GMT 1
joanne1 bwah ha ha ha - no turning back now! you will be affected for life Bwah ha!!
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Post by Susan on Jul 28, 2007 9:14:40 GMT 1
joanne 1 have a look at video of Flynn long lining, which is my daughter,. she often puts lines into one hand and so do I.. but we dont have them gathers up in our hands.. we run them on the ground..
The 1st time I LL I was scared silly I would get lines mixed up.. and drop them.. all sorts of problems I imagined.. but no it was far easier and having them on the ground helped a lot.. plus you can change rein so easy.. often I can feel we are dancing together.
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Post by Derek Clark on Jul 28, 2007 9:43:33 GMT 1
Hi Cobstar, Thaks for that info. You have piqued my interest! ;D How would you characterise the "danish" method (since the DVD isn't out yet...)? Also, joanne1 asked: I do either from time to time (just to prove that I really do like long lining too!). I don't think I have a preference and I do think it's handy to be comfortable doing it either way. I'd get more precision in the aids using one line in each hand, though it'd be easier to maintain a consistent circle with the reins in one hand. Plus, that leaves the other one free for working the mobile phone... (No, I'm kidding about the mobile phone, honestly! ;D) Derek
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Post by suewhitmore on Jul 28, 2007 12:45:13 GMT 1
I'd encourage anyone interested in long reining to get a copy of Sylvia Stanier's wonderful book on the subject. Sylvia Stanier also wrote "The art of lunging" - she obviously doesn't see them as mutually exclusive. However, I would second the recommendation, "The art of long reining" was problably the most influential book I ever read in detemining how I teach *riding*. Also well worth a read, "Classical Circus Equitation", extensively edited by Sylvia S.
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Post by rj on Jul 28, 2007 14:26:50 GMT 1
One hand or 2? It has to be 2 for 'working' the horse, giving signals to both sides independently, but on a circle and if I am happy with the way she's going, I will sometimes go into neutral and use one hand for a while. At the moment I have joined my 2 lines together so that I can run it continuosly through my hands when changing rein. I have got quite proficient at being a human maypole though - don't try this at home kids! I used to have them separate and just trail the ends as Susan says. Any suggestions on the best way to learn how to long-rein properly? Someone at our farm has been watching me, and asked if I'll teach her. I've said no, get some proper instruction, but not sure who/what/how to suggest. In the meantime I have recommended she gets her lines, and get pony used to the feel of a rein behind him etc. Told her they had to be pink reins (like mine), but I think she knows I didn't mean it.....
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Post by suewhitmore on Jul 28, 2007 14:37:33 GMT 1
I think Sylvia Stanier's pupil Jenny may teach. She's down in our area every week to see Sylvia. She might even do a clinic for us (June? ).
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Post by Derek Clark on Jul 28, 2007 15:39:00 GMT 1
Hi rj! Is that in case I'm ringing you on my mobile...? (Oh, good grief!) I'm sorry. I couldn't help it. It's the horses - they made me say it! Help! Get me out of here! ... ;D ;D ;D Derek
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Post by rj on Jul 28, 2007 16:55:39 GMT 1
;D
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Post by Amanda Dolby on Jul 28, 2007 20:30:36 GMT 1
Suewhitmore I would like to see that clinic if it can be organised Amanda
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Post by Cobstar on Jul 30, 2007 10:22:34 GMT 1
Hi Derek Quoting from the horse's mouth - well Sylvia, herself: "The horse wears a driving pad with terrets through which the reins run before being attached to the bit rings or cavesson headcollar. The reins run from the driver's hand direct to the driving pad. They do not normally go round the horse's hocks, but across his back. With this method a horse can be schooled to a very high degree with a very light contact, whilst carrying himself in a normal position, thus allowing the horse to develop the natural brilliance of his gaits." From Stanier, Sylvia (1995) 'The Art of Long Reining', London: J A Allen Ltd. Get yourself along to see Jenny in action - I'm sure you'll find it compliments your interest in the French approach to lightness. I've only seen stills of Becky Holden long reining - but if Heather recommends her, that's a good enough recommendation for me too. Maria Hi Cobstar, Thaks for that info. You have piqued my interest! ;D How would you characterise the "danish" method (since the DVD isn't out yet...)?
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Post by Catrin on Jul 30, 2007 11:57:28 GMT 1
The method that cobstar describes here, reminds me of the way the Spanish Riding School work. Does she stand close to the horses rump as they do?
I tend to use two hand as no one ever phones me. It is also useful as I like to keep changing direction. I don't keep the horse going in one direction on a circle at the same pace, for long, usually.
I always trail the lines when I'm schooling. I am adept at stepping over when I change direction - just takes practice. If you tend to want to long rein on the road, a coil of two long reins in one hand is, I find, too much. I would recommend cutting ten feet (3 m) off the length. Make sure you have enough assistance when doing this, definitely someone at the horse's head.
Teaching someone long reining: I start with long reining them, blindfolded. For me a must to make them realise that the signals need to be clear and that often very little acieves a lot. We then move on the an experienced horse, I usually use my 19 year old TB, or any other horse that is used to being long reined. You need a safe enclosed area with good footing for this: manège, paddock, preferably not a five acre field with mares and foal cavorting round you. If it's all you've got, section off with some tape.
If the person wants to learn so that they can long rein their own horse, I long rein that horse myself first before they have a go, just in case. Quite often the horse needs to do some leading exercises first and I always run the long lead rope along the back and around the back end to check the horse's response. You can learn on a horse that hasn't done much long reining, but not on one that has learned it doesn't like it. You need to work on that first.
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Post by Cobstar on Jul 31, 2007 8:43:00 GMT 1
The method that cobstar describes here, reminds me of the way the Spanish Riding School work. Does she stand close to the horses rump as they do? The position of the person long reining and their distance from the horse varies depending on the exercise being used. Sylvia suggests a distance of 10-15 feet away to 'obtain the nice light feeling' but also points out that you have more control if you are closer.
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