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Post by mamasash on Mar 14, 2008 0:29:54 GMT 1
I agree people should write to their mp`s but not everyone will , i think a template petition would work very well as sigs could be collected from a lot more people ,put in all tack shops feed stores etc , imagine collecting thousands of sigs all handed in together , even better if they were delivered by a large group of horseowners.
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Post by EMW-UK on Mar 14, 2008 8:54:51 GMT 1
I'm not a petition person having been involved with many and varied and seen them taken onboard, filed away and ..... forgotten. the usual cry from MP's re law amendment or even introduction of new laws is " not enough parliamentry time available" Write the letters in thousands but write them individually backed up by cc's to the welfare ministers and shadow ministers who DO have the powers. I think the time is fast approaching when the public will become incited enough to take what shamblingly passes as the law into their own hands, be that as a result of animal murder or worse that of a child...as I said before where there is no deterant there is no preventation. One thing that can be organised is a march, we can vote with our feet and deliver our letters/petition to amend the laws to inflict the hardest of all sentances, including hard manual labour, on those convicted of such awful atrocities. if we notify the press they will have cameras and interviewers present, publicity will generate interest which, in turn, will generate more weight to the cause. My only bleak comfort in all this is that the convicted and their families have to live with the stigma of this for the rest of their sorry lives, may they have every single night filled with nightmares...... sadly for Davina and poor Maggie there is no turning back the clock. So then..shall we march for MAGGIE'S LAW ?
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Post by st4ffsmum on Mar 14, 2008 9:53:00 GMT 1
" The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. " - Albert Einstein
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Post by rosemaryhannah on Mar 14, 2008 10:03:50 GMT 1
You will NEVER get an eye for an eye, not literally. Campaigning for it is heading up a road to a brutality which would make us lettle better than the thugs and vandals who do these things.
What you DO stand a reasonable chance of getting is a law which treats the deliberate mutilation of animals, or acts leading to the unlawful death of animals, as a serious offence. the trouble is, the wording of such laws is beset with pitfalls, since shooting and fishing are legal.
I'm not a lawyer, but I am an ex journalist, and a writer, and I am happy to help with drafting letters to anybody which would see sentencing for these horrific crimes raised to realistic levels.
And don't shoot ME for being a moderate. If you want progress in the recognition of just HOW horiffic these crimes are, you NEED the moderates on board.
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Post by st4ffsmum on Mar 14, 2008 10:16:25 GMT 1
Rosemary Hannah YES PLEASE, that is what we want the law to recognise this was not just a pet killed, they are gross acts of inhumanity to a living creature. An animal that could not defend itself, is trusting, 6 months MAXIMUM sentence is a real joke and the law needs to recognise it.
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Post by debutante on Mar 14, 2008 10:17:00 GMT 1
im happy to help get involved but i must admit im not great at writing letters - i will think of other things - one thing i will say (and im not saying its not a good idea) but i have signed many petitions and have received the pitiful responses from 10 downing street - it isant worth them replying for what they write - it seems its ok in this day and age to cast aside and ignore tens of thousands of public signitures saying something isant right. - i wrote to my local MPs regarding live horse transport the replies and arguments i had with them over this were also pitiful - i had backing of some but from some were one line replys snubbing what i was fighiting for.
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Post by indibindi on Mar 14, 2008 10:25:28 GMT 1
Petitions are great - for the government. for one signature people think they are doing something worthwhile to the cause and move onto something else to worry about... in the old days they would have marched or protested... now its a signature on the website. I bet the govt thinks its hilarious
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Post by annas on Mar 14, 2008 10:36:27 GMT 1
I am happy to do anything that i can.
Petitions are ok but as you say Smudge it is just a click online these days and i am sure the government just ignores it.
Letters are good if enough people can write them. I am all up for a march or protest to personally deliver them too!!
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Post by amarche on Mar 14, 2008 10:43:39 GMT 1
I am happy to help draft letters for people I think individual letters and actually delivered protest (as opposed to an internet petition) is the way to be recognised.
I think we need to summarise what we want to happen, realistic action that government can take. Then we can write the letters with a united front.
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Post by jen1 on Mar 14, 2008 10:46:39 GMT 1
I'm not a petition person having been involved with many and varied and seen them taken onboard, filed away and ..... forgotten. the usual cry from MP's re law amendment or even introduction of new laws is " not enough parliamentry time available" Write the letters in thousands but write them individually backed up by cc's to the welfare ministers and shadow ministers who DO have the powers. I think the time is fast approaching when the public will become incited enough to take what shamblingly passes as the law into their own hands, be that as a result of animal murder or worse that of a child...as I said before where there is no deterant there is no preventation. One thing that can be organised is a march, we can vote with our feet and deliver our letters/petition to amend the laws to inflict the hardest of all sentances, including hard manual labour, on those convicted of such awful atrocities. if we notify the press they will have cameras and interviewers present, publicity will generate interest which, in turn, will generate more weight to the cause. My only bleak comfort in all this is that the convicted and their families have to live with the stigma of this for the rest of their sorry lives, may they have every single night filled with nightmares...... sadly for Davina and poor Maggie there is no turning back the clock. So then..shall we march for MAGGIE'S LAW ? i think thats a super idea, a march with media coverage and hand all our letters in, but are we talking a mass march or local ones, ?i dont think i know enough folk in my area to get the coverage needed, but im up for direct action with us off this forum and others,
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Post by jen1 on Mar 14, 2008 10:49:13 GMT 1
maybe we could have some of the more contructive folk have a locked thread when they have put there letters on, the more contructive letters, or ideas of an outline would help folk like me to mould there own letter from a guideline, or like i say other letters,
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Post by indibindi on Mar 14, 2008 11:05:26 GMT 1
<your address> <date>
<your MP's name> MP House of Commons LONDON SW1A 0AA
Dear <your MP's name>
Re: Recent Cruelty Attacks on Horses
I am writing to you to express my concerns about the recent increase in equine related crime, specifically the knife attacks on horses resulting in severe injury and death.
I am an active member of Britains horse owning public and you should be aware that there is growing outrage amongst horse owners following some serious attacks on these gentle creatures in their owners fields and stables, on their owners own property.
Horses are gentle, trusting animals. They are not born to trust humans, owners and breeders spend huge amounts of time and effort training them to accept human contact. There is a lot of emotional involvement. Horses cost significant amounts of money to keep - on average £200 - £300 a month. Horses cost a lot of money to purchase initially - £3000 upwards on average. Therefore, I fail to understand why perpetraters of such crimes as this: (insert link to Maggies story) are not dealt with more severely by the courts and the crimes taken extremely seriously by the police.
The fact is that horses are the property of the tax paying, voting public. Why is our property not being properly protected with severe, deterrent sentences handed out when the perpetrators are caught and prosectuted?
To slash an innocent, trusting animal and leave it slowly bleeding to death in a field is a sad indication of exactly what these people are capable of. Why is the govenment not taking these crimes more seriously when there is a clear link between animal cruelty and even more serious crimes later on?
I am writing to you as my MP, as my elected member of government to ask you exactly what is going to be done about this appalling, growing trend of attacks on horses?
I look forward to your reply.
Yours
<name>
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Post by circusdancer on Mar 14, 2008 11:31:03 GMT 1
Brilliant Smudge! I'll add one on too and with Rosemaryhannah's contributions, we should have a variety of options for people to use. Rosemaryhannah, of course you are right and my vigilante head is wearing off, not gone completely but it's subsiding. I'm going to try to turn my anger into something constructive to help raise the profile of these attacks. OK, I think we've had excellent suggestions for action and the whole hog is the way forward in my opinion. Why don't we just do the lot? - Mass March
- Petitions (I can draft something for people to get signed at their yards, tack shops etc) that we can hand in during the march.
- Contact MP's with any of the letter templates that we're building up
- Get some high profile names on board
- Get the welfare organisations involved
- Spread the word around the web and get other forums to join in.
This is going to take some serious organising so maybe we need some volunteers to take responsibility for co-ordinating different aspects of it. We need to build the structure of a campaign properly before we run away with ourselves and it loses focus. So volunteers firstly and what are you prepared to take on? I'll do whatever.
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Post by circusdancer on Mar 14, 2008 11:33:08 GMT 1
Oh and we need to bombard the media at some point. A catalogue of all these attacks would need to be compiled for that I guess. I'm supposed to be getting ready for an appointment!
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Post by indibindi on Mar 14, 2008 11:43:17 GMT 1
We need hard hitting stuff for the media - pictures.
I also suggest ALL BHS members write and ask exactly what they are doing to help prevent these attacks.
We need a campaign website... any ideas for names? I can set one up but folk need to get the word spread on the message boards... something like equineprotection.org maybe?
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