Treeless saddles that look like tree'd

[bertie]

Seriously need to look at getting the youngster a treeless saddle, but other than Heather Moffets and Ansur (which I wouldn't buy out of principle), does anyone know of any other makers?

I'm looking for (probably) a VSD - something that I will be able to show in, and possibly do a tiny bit of jumping (nothing over 2'3"). I'll also be taking part in some local riding club dressage comps.

I really like the Ideal Ramsey for saddle shape - and no treeless seem to match up to that sort of flap shape!!!

Help please

[anon]

there isnt another one

[Hanchen]

kay humphries? (if i have spelt that right!)

[bertie1]

Anyone know Kay's web site addy?

Can't seem to find one on a google search

[Hanchen]

I think there are some pics here... www.bowenforall.com/treeless.htm

[anon]

£1800 each though!

Bit more than the Fhoenix

[jinglejoys]

www.goldfinch-endurance.co.uk/
Goldfinch is back on line with the Freeform,is that what you are looking for?

[Cameo]

Ansur answers all your questions. You can jump up to 3'6" in it and it doesn't look too different to a traditional saddle.

[Yann]

Ansur (which I wouldn't buy out of principle)

Looks like the legal action has cost another potential sale. Unfortunately people don't like what happened.

I've been lucky enough to see some KH treeless saddles in the flesh as it were and have to say that they look absolutely gorgeous and totally 'normal'. Tragic that they're so expensive though

[Cameo]

A shame that people let the legal action influence them when what really went on is not a public matter and only one side of the story has been publiciesd - and there ARE two!
The point about the saddle still stands though.

[Yann]

I don't think it is, principles are important

Most of us will have no idea about the detail of what went on but for the average interested horse owner the preposterous patent and the fact that they've had the choice of buying the SBS taken away are clear enough, and very much in the public domain.

Nothing wrong with buying a second hand Ansur though ;D

[Cameo]

Principles are very important - but there really ARE two sides to this and the patent system has quie alot of influence in what went on - I obviously can't say more (and wouldn't as it isn't my business!) but I don't think we shoudl judge too harshly when most people only have seen/read about one side of the story - just wouldn't be truthful to fairness.

Still a good saddle for what Bertie wants though! Horse is the important one! Hopefully Bertie, you find what is right for you and your horse.

[bayhorse]

Well only one side of the story has been publicised because no information has been forthcoming from the other.

I wanted to get an SBS for myself and my horse, it was my saddle of choice - but I had that choice taken away from me by this ridiculous lawsuit. I now have a Fhoenix and love it, and thank goodness Heather had the determination to produce a saddle which will be even more successful than the SBS.

It has a fairly straight cut flap, and you could easily jump 3' in it.

[wendyihts]

The patent system didn't force Ansur to take Heather Simpson to court, did it? I don't own either an Ansur or a HS saddle, BTW but it's a shame not to have a choice.

[Yann]

Wendy, you did mean Heather Moffett didn't you?

Unless of course Ansur have a patent on positive reinforcement as well