carolwilts
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Thrush
Sept 28, 2005 7:47:37 GMT 1
Post by carolwilts on Sept 28, 2005 7:47:37 GMT 1
Its difficult to see from the pics.... my observations are that the shoeing looks abyssmal (would expect the heels to be level with back of frog on a good foot!) and the state of the frog doesnt look like thrush, but indeed like canker- exspecially if its spreading. From what you say about the vet coming weekly to cut out proloiferating material, I would strongly consider the possibility of canker.. this needs fairly agressive treatment and a dry environment.. so out 24/7 would be bad.. here's are two articles on canker. Looking at the pics in the first one reminds me of your pic above. www.equipodiatry.com/canker1.htmwww.drafthorsejournal.com/vetcolumns/spring00/spring00.htm
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Thrush
Sept 28, 2005 8:22:48 GMT 1
Post by Amanda (S Yorks) on Sept 28, 2005 8:22:48 GMT 1
I agree with Carolwilts, the shoeing doesn't look good from what I can see. The heels are much too far forward (underrun) and contracted which pretty much sets the hoof up for thrush anyway. Can't comment on the rest of the hoof but wouldn't expect it to be great with the back third being so poor.
I'd sack the farrier, take the shoes off, get the hooves trimmed correctly so the horse has half a chance of healing himself and also Cleantrax to get rid of the current thrush, following up with twice weekly soaks in Borax (or brushing Borax solution on at least) to prevent further infection. Since the horse is already lame you've got nothing to lose and could put shoes back on if you wanted once the thrush is resolved and hooves are back on track.
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lucy2
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Thrush
Sept 28, 2005 15:56:51 GMT 1
Post by lucy2 on Sept 28, 2005 15:56:51 GMT 1
Many thanks for those web site refs Carol. Have read (with interest and dismay) the equine podiatry one - it lists every single one of the symptoms we have, and have had for quite some time - since beginning of AUgust. But vet only diagnosed canker yesterday. I agree re shape and state of feet and was last shod by different farrier - in his defence - he cannot put years of bad shoeing right in the first visit. Seamus is going back into hospital next Tuesday for the surgery discribed in the article. I can only keep my fingers crossed.
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Thrush
Sept 28, 2005 16:27:40 GMT 1
Post by runaway on Sept 28, 2005 16:27:40 GMT 1
omg poor pony! i hope u find a sucessful treatment.
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carolwilts
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Sept 28, 2005 17:11:53 GMT 1
Post by carolwilts on Sept 28, 2005 17:11:53 GMT 1
Ah ha!
So the vet says its canker.. I am NOT AT ALL surprised given your pic, shame he didnt spot it earlier (or was this the consulting vet?).
I do hope you have caught it in time.. its a hellish thing to treat.
Best wishes to you and your horse.. i will see if my hoofy friends with more knowledge have any other suggestions...
hugs
carol
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lucy2
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Sept 28, 2005 22:44:42 GMT 1
Post by lucy2 on Sept 28, 2005 22:44:42 GMT 1
Thank you Carol - it was the senior partner who saw him Tuesday - for the first time. I am not expecting any progress now until after his hospital stay. He goes in next Tuesday 4th and should be home around the 11th October. So I will keep everyone posted. Lucy 2
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Thrush
Oct 2, 2005 11:51:46 GMT 1
Post by touchstone not logged on Oct 2, 2005 11:51:46 GMT 1
What an awful time for you all, I really hope things go well for you, chin up! Will be thinking of you
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Thrush
Oct 3, 2005 12:50:55 GMT 1
Post by PD on Oct 3, 2005 12:50:55 GMT 1
Oh Lucy2, just seen the update on this thread - definitely Canker. I wish you much strength and luck tomorrow. I'd also insist that the senior partner continues the care of your horse, this shouldn't have been allowed to get so bad. Do let us know how the treatment goes, its something that is not well known about in the UK.
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Thrush
Oct 3, 2005 13:12:38 GMT 1
Post by gwenoakes on Oct 3, 2005 13:12:38 GMT 1
OP - Please get the vet to xray him it could have gone up into the digital tendon if it has gone to canker. If that happens then there is little hope I am afraid. We went down this road a few years ago as i put earlier.
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lucy2
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Oct 3, 2005 21:10:34 GMT 1
Post by lucy2 on Oct 3, 2005 21:10:34 GMT 1
Gwen Vet has told us he will be doing the x-rays before anything else. Seamus goes in tomorrow at 12.30pm, x-rays on Wednesday so we should know whats happening then. To be honest, my OH and I have prepared ourselves for the worst. Throughout this he hasn't actually been lame with exception of the last week. All four feet are now affected. All we can do is wait now until Wednesday - with everything crossed.
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Thrush
Oct 3, 2005 22:27:50 GMT 1
Post by KoLaTo on Oct 3, 2005 22:27:50 GMT 1
'aww' - lucy2 - fingers and toes crossed for your poor soldier and shoot the blasted vet for not diagnosing it earlier, i hope everything comes good for him.
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Thrush
Oct 4, 2005 8:13:42 GMT 1
Post by gwenoakes on Oct 4, 2005 8:13:42 GMT 1
Good grief - cant believe the vet never spotted it was canker before now, although in their defence the vets that treated Joe our shire had never seen canker. They said it was an archaic (sp) desease. Reading this thread has sent shivers down my spine, it is like re-living the past and it was absolutely horrendous. Joe never went lame hardly either. Ours was a different scenario from the beginning as the previous owner never dealt with the thrush and consequently the canker, had been ongoing for approx two years when we managed to prize him away from her. We threw everything into the pot including 3k and duck tape over a period of six months. I will keep my fingers and everything else crossed for you. I really feel for you. X
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Thrush
Oct 4, 2005 9:41:35 GMT 1
Post by Amanda (S Yorks) on Oct 4, 2005 9:41:35 GMT 1
So sorry it's not better news but I'll keep my fingers crossed that the x-rays show that it hasn't progressed beyond the frog.
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Thrush
Oct 4, 2005 17:07:04 GMT 1
Post by Casper on Oct 4, 2005 17:07:04 GMT 1
Hope all goes well with the x-rays and everything tomorrow. Will be thinking of you and your boy. Please let us know how he gets on bless him. I can only imagine how you must be feeling, take care.
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varkie
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Oct 4, 2005 17:24:19 GMT 1
Post by varkie on Oct 4, 2005 17:24:19 GMT 1
Poor, poor boy. That photo looks so sore.
Even if you wish to keep shoes on him long term (assuming xrays are positive), I do think there might be a benefit to him in removing his shoes until you have dealt with this problem - can't help thinking that shoes & nails may well be helping to make this problem worse from an infection point of view. Not a scientific feeling - more of a gut one.
Good luck for the x rays tomorrow, fingers crossed for a positive result.
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