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Subject : Sarcoids
From :
Date : 20.06.02 3:25:00 PM
Can someone explain what Sarcoids are please???
Thank you
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Rosie
Date : 20.06.02 3:31:00 PM
Have a look at this site, as it looks like it will answer all your questions.
Kind regards
Rosie
www.pcweb.liv.ac.uk/sarcoids/facts.htm
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sandra
Date : 20.06.02 3:38:00 PM
And look up the thread "Immune Booster" on how to treat them.....or not.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Carly
Date : 20.06.02 6:45:00 PM
Hi my pony has one that is being removed TODAY! Basically they are warty lump things that can get infected and swollen. They are often sore for the horse but rarely dangerous - so don't worry. Some horses are just prone to them
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Carly
Date : 20.06.02 6:56:00 PM
Hi I have to say that after speaking to my knowledeable vet I have to disagree about some of the contents of that page- so if unsure conntact your vet.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Whispa
Date : 20.06.02 8:52:00 PM
Which page Carly?
Surely not
www.pcweb.liv.ac.uk/sarcoids/facts.htm, as this is by Dr Derek Knottenbelt (sp?). He is the expert on sarcoids in the UK, if not worldwide. My vet refers to him for diagnosis and treatment.
Regards
Whispa
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : jo g
Date : 21.06.02 1:19:00 AM
Has anyone tried Global herbs Sarc-ex?
I'm pretty sure my horse has started to develop a few sacoids although they are on her neck, which is not the usual place. They are tiny at the moment, and the vets probably won't do much with them while it's fly season.
She has had a nodular sacoid before which was treated with the Liverpool cream, that was 2 years ago now. Of course now she is excluded from ALL skin condition on her insurance!!
Any experience of Global Herbs out there?
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sandra
Date : 21.06.02 7:41:00 AM
Carly, beware, I absolutely agree with Whispa!!!! Dr. Knottenbelt is well known WORLDWIDE as THE knowledgable vet re sarcoids. In fact, many vets know relatively little about sarcoids. I don't want to scare you but operating on sarcoids has a 30 - 40% success rate. Did you vet tell you that beforehand?
And I'm sorry, I also do not agree with your statement not to worry about sarcoids. A friend of mine has a gorgeous mare who has been dealing with sarcoids for the past 2 and a half years - over the last 12 months they are finally disappearing thanks to the treatment I described in "Immune Booster". Before that he was hesitating whether he was going to have her put down because of all the suffering she was going through. She is now 6 years old and nearly completely over the sarcoids (touch lots of wood!!!!) although her immune system is still being boosted and they're still fighting the remaining "bits of sarcoids". It was horrific a year ago - with sarcoids the size of footballs and tennis balls.
I apologise if I'm scaring you now - I wasn't going to say anything as your pony was already being operated upon but I now felt I had to. Sarcoids are to be taken very seriously. Find out all about how to treat them and do not treat them at all if it is avoidable.
Carly, I hope your pony is with the lucky 40% and wish both of you all the best.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Carly
Date : 24.06.02 8:31:00 PM
Hi my pony did not need to have the sarcoid op cos just as we were taking him to the vets we discovered it had fallen off! Blood was poring but a few stitches some antibiotic powder and lots of fly spray together with 14 days stable rest - I have now changed vets as the vet was a locum. Thank you
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From :
Date : 24.06.02 9:05:00 PM
Have to just say that it should not of been stitched,as the body was rejecting it,and now some of it could be left inside...but glad you are changing vets anyway!
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sharon
Date : 25.06.02 9:55:00 AM
I tried Global Herbs Sarc Ex, no results after three months so gave up (too expensive), but thats not to say it won't work for another horse. I have decided to leave the sarcoids alone for now as all the information I have gathered is contradictory and does not allow me to come to a decision.
It is clear from experienced owners that SOME cases of sarcoids are nothing to worry about, but clearly by the photos I have seen SOME are.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sam with Ginger
Date : 25.06.02 11:13:00 AM
I have found this thread very intresting. Ginger had five sarcoids about 9 years ago when i first got him on his face on his neck and on his chest. My vet was excellent some of the sarcoids were removed others were injected luckly none of them ever re-grew the only signs of him ever having them was a scar on the side of his neck.
Unfortuantly about two weeks ago I noticed the start of one on his mouth right where his bit sits its looking quite aggresive and the vets monitoring it, but it's only a matter of time before it has to be removed and as Sacroids are excluded from his insurance policy due to having them before i'm going to be getting a cracker of a vets bill through!
Good luck Carly and hope your ponys not being bothered to much by the flies!
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sandra
Date : 25.06.02 12:28:00 AM
Carly, I can't tell you how glad I am to hear that!!!! About 30% of the horses who get sarcoids are able to reject them themselves - your pony was obviously amongst them!!!
Sam with Ginger, I'm sorry to hear about your horse getting them again. Try boosting his immune system - do a search on "immune boost", I posted quite a bit on there that hopefully can help you. Good luck - I have everything crossed for you!!!! Sandra
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : andy
Date : 26.06.02 8:43:00 PM
Have any of you tried the Hilton Herbs Equimmune (herbal mixure) along with their Phytobalm cream. It is quite (not horrendusly) expemsive, but easy to apply and administer, the horses we tried it on took a little while to get used to the herbs but ended up not being able to get enough of it. We also got quite a good success rate, 2 out of the three horses lost some within six months, the rest fell off later on over the next year.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Jade
Date : 27.06.02 7:53:00 PM
Hi you can stitch sarcoid wounds as it helps prevent the risk of fly infections and stops the horse losing lots of blood - it also keeps the wound clean and the vet can remove any parts left in so dont worry Carly as i'm sure your pony is fine - after all this page isn't written by vets so peole can say what they want!
Subject :
From :
Date : 28.06.02 8:40:00 PM
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : sue
Date : 01.07.02 7:30:00 AM
I took my mare to Dr Derek Knottenbelt,
to have her treated for sarcoids she had four.I had my vet refer her to him. She stayed there a week and he treated all four, the treatment was a success all she has in each place is a tiny scar.Also the treatment costs were very reasonable.It is true that very few vets have much knowledge on sarcoids,where as Dr knottenbelt is a specialist.Move quick as he is retiring soon. Good Luck
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : top
Date : 20.09.02 8:03:00 AM
up
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : lucy j
Date : 20.09.02 8:27:00 AM
my mare had an average sized sarcoid on her belly. i think she bit it off. it hasn't occured again (touch wood) and she has no more.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : LornaB
Date : 20.09.02 9:18:00 AM
I worked with Derek Knottenbelt at the University of Liverpool several years ago and he is the UK's specialist in sarcoids. He definately knows what he is doing and treats many difficult cases each week.
There are lots of different types of sarcoids - nodular, occult, varicose, fibroblastic, mixed etc. - and they can range from mild to severe. All horses are affected differently. We saw some horses at Liverpool who had sarcoids on their legs so big that as they walked the sarcoid would knock against the other leg and open up into a nasty bloody mass.
This is quite rare though and generally the smaller nodular sarcoids cause little trouble and it is these that can be banded to cut off the blood supply so that they eventually drop off.
The worry with incising sarcoids and removing them surgically is that certain types of sarcoids have affected tissue around the part of tissue that visually looks like a sarcoid so it is very difficult to remove all of the related tissue. This is what cause sarcoids to mutiply in some cases and there have been cases (in the past hopefully) where a sarcoid has been excised and the knife used for something else eg. castration and sarcoid growths have appeared at the site of subsequent incisions.
Nodular sarcoids tend to be contained within their own membrane and can be cleanly removed. For this reason they are less likely to spread and reappear although I do think I am right in saying that if a horse has one sarcoid, even if it goes, they will be more susceptible to getting sarcoids in the future than horses who have never had one.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : S
Date : 20.09.02 12:20:00 AM
When I bought him 18 months ago, my boy had 5 tiny sarcoids under his belly and a larger one just in front of his girth area which continued growing and I thought was going to cause a problem due to its location. He developed more tiny ones in the first 6 months of owning him when he was injured and very unhappy on box rest.
I don't know if it was a coincidence, but I recently gave him hands on healing on the sarcoids every day for a week and put Forever Living Aloe vera gelly and bee propolis cream on them twice daily. Nothing seemed to happen so I stopped doing this, but a few days later the large one fell off! I kept putting the propolis creme on this one until it stopped weeping and a month later ALL sarcoids are gone!
I strongly believe that in some cases sarcoids are brought on by stress - my boy was badly treated before I bought him and extremely nervous. I think the fact that he is now much calmer, trusting and happier in himself, combined with the treatment I gave him, he was able to reject them from his body, and touch wood he has now been sarcoid free for 6 months.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From :
Date : 18.05.04 11:32:00 AM
Do you think that when they get bigger and more"open" it is when the body is actually at its strongest and trying to eject them and at that stage boosting the horse and not treating the sarcoid would be the thing to do?
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From :
Date : 18.05.04 9:32:00 PM
yup
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sarah
Date : 19.05.04 11:12:00 AM
I know a horse at a yard that I used to work at, and he had sarcoids all over him - they were all over his girth area and over other parts of his body too.
In the summer when he was playing polo we used to put Green Oils Gel on them - or some antibiotic powder. It doesn't get rid of them but in this particular case it seemed to sooth him a little.
He has also had various operations to remove them - but they always come back.
I agree with S, either having the sarcoids stressed him out, or stress caused them - either way he is in a vicious cycle really, he is always rather grumpy and HATES being groomed anywhere - I feel so sorry for him sometimes, nothing seems to work!
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Kris
Date : 19.05.04 11:35:00 AM
My pony has a large sarcoid that got infected we were lucky that the vet used a cream to burn it away and has not come back. The pony was upset by this treatment and I would not want her to go through this again.
I have heard that there is a supplement on the market form Global Herbs which is very effective. Best of luck.
From :
Date : 20.06.02 3:25:00 PM
Can someone explain what Sarcoids are please???
Thank you
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Rosie
Date : 20.06.02 3:31:00 PM
Have a look at this site, as it looks like it will answer all your questions.
Kind regards
Rosie
www.pcweb.liv.ac.uk/sarcoids/facts.htm
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sandra
Date : 20.06.02 3:38:00 PM
And look up the thread "Immune Booster" on how to treat them.....or not.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Carly
Date : 20.06.02 6:45:00 PM
Hi my pony has one that is being removed TODAY! Basically they are warty lump things that can get infected and swollen. They are often sore for the horse but rarely dangerous - so don't worry. Some horses are just prone to them
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Carly
Date : 20.06.02 6:56:00 PM
Hi I have to say that after speaking to my knowledeable vet I have to disagree about some of the contents of that page- so if unsure conntact your vet.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Whispa
Date : 20.06.02 8:52:00 PM
Which page Carly?
Surely not
www.pcweb.liv.ac.uk/sarcoids/facts.htm, as this is by Dr Derek Knottenbelt (sp?). He is the expert on sarcoids in the UK, if not worldwide. My vet refers to him for diagnosis and treatment.
Regards
Whispa
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : jo g
Date : 21.06.02 1:19:00 AM
Has anyone tried Global herbs Sarc-ex?
I'm pretty sure my horse has started to develop a few sacoids although they are on her neck, which is not the usual place. They are tiny at the moment, and the vets probably won't do much with them while it's fly season.
She has had a nodular sacoid before which was treated with the Liverpool cream, that was 2 years ago now. Of course now she is excluded from ALL skin condition on her insurance!!
Any experience of Global Herbs out there?
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sandra
Date : 21.06.02 7:41:00 AM
Carly, beware, I absolutely agree with Whispa!!!! Dr. Knottenbelt is well known WORLDWIDE as THE knowledgable vet re sarcoids. In fact, many vets know relatively little about sarcoids. I don't want to scare you but operating on sarcoids has a 30 - 40% success rate. Did you vet tell you that beforehand?
And I'm sorry, I also do not agree with your statement not to worry about sarcoids. A friend of mine has a gorgeous mare who has been dealing with sarcoids for the past 2 and a half years - over the last 12 months they are finally disappearing thanks to the treatment I described in "Immune Booster". Before that he was hesitating whether he was going to have her put down because of all the suffering she was going through. She is now 6 years old and nearly completely over the sarcoids (touch lots of wood!!!!) although her immune system is still being boosted and they're still fighting the remaining "bits of sarcoids". It was horrific a year ago - with sarcoids the size of footballs and tennis balls.
I apologise if I'm scaring you now - I wasn't going to say anything as your pony was already being operated upon but I now felt I had to. Sarcoids are to be taken very seriously. Find out all about how to treat them and do not treat them at all if it is avoidable.
Carly, I hope your pony is with the lucky 40% and wish both of you all the best.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Carly
Date : 24.06.02 8:31:00 PM
Hi my pony did not need to have the sarcoid op cos just as we were taking him to the vets we discovered it had fallen off! Blood was poring but a few stitches some antibiotic powder and lots of fly spray together with 14 days stable rest - I have now changed vets as the vet was a locum. Thank you
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From :
Date : 24.06.02 9:05:00 PM
Have to just say that it should not of been stitched,as the body was rejecting it,and now some of it could be left inside...but glad you are changing vets anyway!
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sharon
Date : 25.06.02 9:55:00 AM
I tried Global Herbs Sarc Ex, no results after three months so gave up (too expensive), but thats not to say it won't work for another horse. I have decided to leave the sarcoids alone for now as all the information I have gathered is contradictory and does not allow me to come to a decision.
It is clear from experienced owners that SOME cases of sarcoids are nothing to worry about, but clearly by the photos I have seen SOME are.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sam with Ginger
Date : 25.06.02 11:13:00 AM
I have found this thread very intresting. Ginger had five sarcoids about 9 years ago when i first got him on his face on his neck and on his chest. My vet was excellent some of the sarcoids were removed others were injected luckly none of them ever re-grew the only signs of him ever having them was a scar on the side of his neck.
Unfortuantly about two weeks ago I noticed the start of one on his mouth right where his bit sits its looking quite aggresive and the vets monitoring it, but it's only a matter of time before it has to be removed and as Sacroids are excluded from his insurance policy due to having them before i'm going to be getting a cracker of a vets bill through!
Good luck Carly and hope your ponys not being bothered to much by the flies!
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sandra
Date : 25.06.02 12:28:00 AM
Carly, I can't tell you how glad I am to hear that!!!! About 30% of the horses who get sarcoids are able to reject them themselves - your pony was obviously amongst them!!!
Sam with Ginger, I'm sorry to hear about your horse getting them again. Try boosting his immune system - do a search on "immune boost", I posted quite a bit on there that hopefully can help you. Good luck - I have everything crossed for you!!!! Sandra
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : andy
Date : 26.06.02 8:43:00 PM
Have any of you tried the Hilton Herbs Equimmune (herbal mixure) along with their Phytobalm cream. It is quite (not horrendusly) expemsive, but easy to apply and administer, the horses we tried it on took a little while to get used to the herbs but ended up not being able to get enough of it. We also got quite a good success rate, 2 out of the three horses lost some within six months, the rest fell off later on over the next year.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Jade
Date : 27.06.02 7:53:00 PM
Hi you can stitch sarcoid wounds as it helps prevent the risk of fly infections and stops the horse losing lots of blood - it also keeps the wound clean and the vet can remove any parts left in so dont worry Carly as i'm sure your pony is fine - after all this page isn't written by vets so peole can say what they want!
Subject :
From :
Date : 28.06.02 8:40:00 PM
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : sue
Date : 01.07.02 7:30:00 AM
I took my mare to Dr Derek Knottenbelt,
to have her treated for sarcoids she had four.I had my vet refer her to him. She stayed there a week and he treated all four, the treatment was a success all she has in each place is a tiny scar.Also the treatment costs were very reasonable.It is true that very few vets have much knowledge on sarcoids,where as Dr knottenbelt is a specialist.Move quick as he is retiring soon. Good Luck
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : top
Date : 20.09.02 8:03:00 AM
up
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : lucy j
Date : 20.09.02 8:27:00 AM
my mare had an average sized sarcoid on her belly. i think she bit it off. it hasn't occured again (touch wood) and she has no more.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : LornaB
Date : 20.09.02 9:18:00 AM
I worked with Derek Knottenbelt at the University of Liverpool several years ago and he is the UK's specialist in sarcoids. He definately knows what he is doing and treats many difficult cases each week.
There are lots of different types of sarcoids - nodular, occult, varicose, fibroblastic, mixed etc. - and they can range from mild to severe. All horses are affected differently. We saw some horses at Liverpool who had sarcoids on their legs so big that as they walked the sarcoid would knock against the other leg and open up into a nasty bloody mass.
This is quite rare though and generally the smaller nodular sarcoids cause little trouble and it is these that can be banded to cut off the blood supply so that they eventually drop off.
The worry with incising sarcoids and removing them surgically is that certain types of sarcoids have affected tissue around the part of tissue that visually looks like a sarcoid so it is very difficult to remove all of the related tissue. This is what cause sarcoids to mutiply in some cases and there have been cases (in the past hopefully) where a sarcoid has been excised and the knife used for something else eg. castration and sarcoid growths have appeared at the site of subsequent incisions.
Nodular sarcoids tend to be contained within their own membrane and can be cleanly removed. For this reason they are less likely to spread and reappear although I do think I am right in saying that if a horse has one sarcoid, even if it goes, they will be more susceptible to getting sarcoids in the future than horses who have never had one.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : S
Date : 20.09.02 12:20:00 AM
When I bought him 18 months ago, my boy had 5 tiny sarcoids under his belly and a larger one just in front of his girth area which continued growing and I thought was going to cause a problem due to its location. He developed more tiny ones in the first 6 months of owning him when he was injured and very unhappy on box rest.
I don't know if it was a coincidence, but I recently gave him hands on healing on the sarcoids every day for a week and put Forever Living Aloe vera gelly and bee propolis cream on them twice daily. Nothing seemed to happen so I stopped doing this, but a few days later the large one fell off! I kept putting the propolis creme on this one until it stopped weeping and a month later ALL sarcoids are gone!
I strongly believe that in some cases sarcoids are brought on by stress - my boy was badly treated before I bought him and extremely nervous. I think the fact that he is now much calmer, trusting and happier in himself, combined with the treatment I gave him, he was able to reject them from his body, and touch wood he has now been sarcoid free for 6 months.
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From :
Date : 18.05.04 11:32:00 AM
Do you think that when they get bigger and more"open" it is when the body is actually at its strongest and trying to eject them and at that stage boosting the horse and not treating the sarcoid would be the thing to do?
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From :
Date : 18.05.04 9:32:00 PM
yup
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Sarah
Date : 19.05.04 11:12:00 AM
I know a horse at a yard that I used to work at, and he had sarcoids all over him - they were all over his girth area and over other parts of his body too.
In the summer when he was playing polo we used to put Green Oils Gel on them - or some antibiotic powder. It doesn't get rid of them but in this particular case it seemed to sooth him a little.
He has also had various operations to remove them - but they always come back.
I agree with S, either having the sarcoids stressed him out, or stress caused them - either way he is in a vicious cycle really, he is always rather grumpy and HATES being groomed anywhere - I feel so sorry for him sometimes, nothing seems to work!
Subject : re:- Sarcoids
From : Kris
Date : 19.05.04 11:35:00 AM
My pony has a large sarcoid that got infected we were lucky that the vet used a cream to burn it away and has not come back. The pony was upset by this treatment and I would not want her to go through this again.
I have heard that there is a supplement on the market form Global Herbs which is very effective. Best of luck.