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Subject : Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieJATaylor
Date : 20.01.03 8:05:00 PM
Hi All,
I have started a new yahoo group, largely for the free and open discussion
of our search for, research into, and trials of, treatments for
'metabolically challenged' horses - alternative as well as more western
medicine approaches.
It will include discussion of insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, all forms
of Cushing's syndrome, and of course laminitis - and any information we can
share that may be of use in managing horses suffering from these conditions,
and finding real answers for them.
It will also hopefully remain a place where owners thoughts and observations
can be discussed with equal respect.
It is called "TheMetabolicHorse" and you can check it out at the following
address:
Group home page: groups.yahoo.com/group/TheMetabolicHorse
Group email address: TheMetabolicHorse@yahoogroups.com
Hope to see you there - please pass the word on to anyone you think might
like to know about such a group.
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Wendy S
Date : 20.01.03 8:10:00 PM
BRILLIANT. My daughter shares a delightfull 11 year old Shetland, who was diagnosed with Cushions last May. After some months of box rest to overcome the laminitis, he is now being ridden.
Will def check it out for more info. Only prob is the husband is gonna moan. Not another chat room to get involved with!!
Good luck with it Jackie.
W xx
W x x
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : liz-horsetalk
Date : 20.01.03 9:02:00 PM
Hi Jackie....
Will watch this with interest and pop in from time to time too.
To others..
Same applies too to the group I set up last year specifically aimed at Laminitis after finding that many people were using the help board I set up on my website www.horse-talk.co.uk
I felt the group was a lot easier for people as they could e-mail into it rather than log into a bulletin board:
groups.yahoo.com/group/laminitis/
Anyone welcome too.........
Any questions welcome, no matter how insignificant they may seem to be or how difficult, whether you just want to sound off your frustrations or a shoulder to cry on etc.
Many members are owners that have either been/going through the trauma of owning a laminitic or sadly lost one of their own and want to try to prevent others suffering that fate.
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 20.01.03 9:35:00 PM
Hi Guys, thanks for those sites,I will be visting them,I have a bit of a problem with April today as you know she is laminitic, anyway I think she has developed a dust allergy, she is showing all the signs as this, the problem I have is she can't cope with any fertlizers,so she is on pure orgainic hay,also she can't cope with very good quality hay,so I really don't know what I am going to do if it turns out to be a problem with the hay with her?she also has to go in when there is any frost about and has always been on shavings,I am going to be buying rubber mats this friday in hoping its the shavings and not the hay,also there isn't anything other alfafa she can cope with too,can I wet this down? have any of you got any ideas if it turns out she has a problem with the hay?she is 32 years old,she retired but I want her to have a comfortable life of what she has left of it,and I am really trying hard to get her over this winter,which has been very worrying and is worrying that I am not going to be able to do it, she is perkey and happy in herself and she is eating well, but Its her body giving in, so any advise would be great Thanks Vxxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieJATaylor
Date : 20.01.03 11:42:00 PM
Have you tried her on the timothy Horsehage? In well made haylage nearly all the sugar has been fermented - Horsehage quote typically 1-2%, so it should be safe for a laminitic as long as they aren't allowed to get fat.
You could try well-soaked hay first, I have a mare who coughs a little on dry hay but is fine on soaked. Soaking reduces the sugar in hay considerably too!
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 21.01.03 8:59:00 AM
Hi Jackie,Thanks for that,I do use horsehage for my other two and find it fantastic stuff even for my other mare Zulu who is also laminitic but not with April,she can't cope with horsehage at all,she is so hard to feed,anyway I spent all night with no sleep worrying about her and worrying if I have to make that awful decision to wake up this morning and find her as right as range:O)no signs of dust allergy today at all, it was lovely to find her looking really good,but I did leave her stable door open last night,so have a feeling its the shaving effecting her when she has to be in on box rest.I have to put her in tomorrow as the weather forecast is freezing weather which might bring on the Laminitis in her"it has before" so I think I am going to get some rubber mats,I have priced it out,its going to cost about £180p to cover her stable with them,the shavings I have at the moment is very deep litter bed of them for her, I am wondering if the rubber mats will be enough to keep her off the hard floor with the cold? what do you think? will they be enough to keep her warm,hope you don't mind me sounding all this out to you,but it does help,other wise it just all goes round and round in my head, and it helps to bounce these ideas and thoughts off,Thanks V xxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Ally(North Yorkshire)
Date : 21.01.03 9:17:00 AM
Hi Veronica, I'm wondering if you have thought about another type of bedding? For example shredded paper? I know there are all sorts of dust free allergy beddings that you can buy, but I don't know enough about them all to recommend any. The rubber matting sounds a good idea, although I haven't tried them myself (I use shavings). I do have a horse prone to laminitis though, so I can sympathise with you totally and can understand how you lie awake at night worrying about it! Sorry I haven't got much constructive advice, but I just wanted you to know you aren't alone!!
Ally (North Yorkshire)
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 21.01.03 9:24:00 AM
Thank you Ally,I will have a good look round thanks for that love Vxxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Ally(North Yorkshire)
Date : 21.01.03 9:47:00 AM
Veronica, I have just had a look on the internet and found a product called "easibed" web site is www.easibed4animals.com then you click on recommendations. It sounds just the thing for little April x
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 21.01.03 10:14:00 AM
Ahh thank you so much Ally,that is really really helpful,it looks really good stuff doesn't it,I am going to print it off and take it to where I buy my horses feeds from to see if they can order it for me, thank you again love Vxxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieJATaylor
Date : 21.01.03 11:08:00 AM
Is April the little Cushings pony? What diet is she on? Diet can make a huge difference - there are some supplementary minerals, vits etc that really help a lot of them, and need not be expensive.
As for bedding - I feel they need some to be comfortable. I had my old mare on shavings for a while years ago, and she actually became sensitised to them - snot POURING out of her nose. She was much better on clean straw for the rest of her life. I think the hemp bedding, like Aubiose is less dusty than shavings too.
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 21.01.03 11:57:00 AM
Hi Jackie, no she isn't that pony,I don't know if you remember me talking a long while ago about April being on the product founder guard?,I think you asked me a long time ago about it and was also talking on some threads about the product? she isn't on it anymore for a lot of reasons.I have had her for two years now,she came from a rescue center,and has got a really bad history of lamintis its untrue,she is 32 years old suffers also from arthritis,I really appracate your advise about supplments but she can't cope with any other things than alfafa and hay with no fertilzers in them,I have tried her on all sorts of things which has made her come down ill, but she is okay on alfafa,I have even tried her on some herbs,she is just a very diffrent case then the norm,but thank you anyway for that, and thanks as well about the bedding advice, it has been very helpful,I am going to get the place I go to buy stuff from, to get in that easibed shavings, I think that sounds as if its just what I am looking for thank you both so much love Vxxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Wendy S
Date : 21.01.03 2:15:00 PM
Hi Jackie, the shetland we share is the cushions one. He is ony on a handful of hifi light in the evening. One sec hay morning noon and night.(soaked)
He also has 2 quarters of apple with his tablet in. Forgotten thename begins with M(is a human tumor reducing drug.
However we have been told he does not have a tumor, and his type of cushions was not suitable for the trial.
He is such a happy little darling.
W x x
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : gill mcg
Date : 21.01.03 2:35:00 PM
Hi Veronica - my horse is on Easibed on rubber matting - you do have to still use quite a lot of bed with rubber matting otherwise you end up with wet rugs. Found the Easibed very good - very absorbent and clean, no dust at all and smells woody. Pretty easy to muck out - only problem I have is that Concer seems to tap dance in the night and break up the poos which dry up in the easibed into chunks the size of marbles!!! - his stablemate is on the same bedding and his looks SO easy to muck out. Good luck with April.
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Sutton
Date : 21.01.03 2:54:00 PM
Hi Jackie, glad to see you're still around. Are you going to the BETA show this Feb. Vikki and I are going on the Monday so let us know if you are there on that day. Sue
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : liz-horsetalk
Date : 21.01.03 3:21:00 PM
Hi V.
Not sure if it has already been suggested but have you taken a look at Aubiose (Sp!).
This is something that was used successfully with the COPD mare that used to share with my lot until recently.
I think someone already mentioned Hemp and paper.
You could also try peat. This can be helpful for the laminitis side of things too as the peat will mould to the foot so give it added support.
Just some thoughts on that.
With regards food. Not sure I got this tright but if Alfalfa is Ok then how about looking at Dengie Alafa Beet as well as products such as hi-fi lite.
Something else which seems to be mentioned on and off here too is "Le Brick". Not used it so not sure how suitable this might be. I'll dig out tth web Add.
Hope this helps.
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieA-T
Date : 22.01.03 0:31:00 AM
Veronica, could she not even cope with a few vitamins and minerals? Some magnesium and vitamin E for instance?
In what way does she 'not cope'?
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieA-T
Date : 22.01.03 0:32:00 AM
Hi Sue - yes I plan to go, if I don't miss the date again, I've missed it twice I think! Not sure what day yet though - I nromally try for Sunday to avoid the traffic.
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
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Date : 27.03.03 4:39:00 PM
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From : Fidget
Date : 28.04.05 9:05:00 AM
Have just spotted this thread Jackie, will hopefully join you too!
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From :
Date : 28.04.05 9:35:00 AM
Interesting research going on with the Laminitic Trust in the UK regarding pituitary dependent Cushings and the use of Agnus Castus (Chaste Berry, Monk's Pepper, Vitex).They're inviting people to become involved in their trials!
www.laminitis.org
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From :
Date : 28.04.05 9:36:00 AM
Laminitis trust trial is now over. Look for the results.
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Jackie
Date : 28.04.05 9:38:00 AM
I believe the Laminitis Trust trial has been closed for some time. I supply both dried Vitex and a potent Vitex tincture now.
Jackie
2005(at)MetabolicHorse.co.uk
From : JackieJATaylor
Date : 20.01.03 8:05:00 PM
Hi All,
I have started a new yahoo group, largely for the free and open discussion
of our search for, research into, and trials of, treatments for
'metabolically challenged' horses - alternative as well as more western
medicine approaches.
It will include discussion of insulin resistance, hypothyroidism, all forms
of Cushing's syndrome, and of course laminitis - and any information we can
share that may be of use in managing horses suffering from these conditions,
and finding real answers for them.
It will also hopefully remain a place where owners thoughts and observations
can be discussed with equal respect.
It is called "TheMetabolicHorse" and you can check it out at the following
address:
Group home page: groups.yahoo.com/group/TheMetabolicHorse
Group email address: TheMetabolicHorse@yahoogroups.com
Hope to see you there - please pass the word on to anyone you think might
like to know about such a group.
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Wendy S
Date : 20.01.03 8:10:00 PM
BRILLIANT. My daughter shares a delightfull 11 year old Shetland, who was diagnosed with Cushions last May. After some months of box rest to overcome the laminitis, he is now being ridden.
Will def check it out for more info. Only prob is the husband is gonna moan. Not another chat room to get involved with!!
Good luck with it Jackie.
W xx
W x x
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : liz-horsetalk
Date : 20.01.03 9:02:00 PM
Hi Jackie....
Will watch this with interest and pop in from time to time too.
To others..
Same applies too to the group I set up last year specifically aimed at Laminitis after finding that many people were using the help board I set up on my website www.horse-talk.co.uk
I felt the group was a lot easier for people as they could e-mail into it rather than log into a bulletin board:
groups.yahoo.com/group/laminitis/
Anyone welcome too.........
Any questions welcome, no matter how insignificant they may seem to be or how difficult, whether you just want to sound off your frustrations or a shoulder to cry on etc.
Many members are owners that have either been/going through the trauma of owning a laminitic or sadly lost one of their own and want to try to prevent others suffering that fate.
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 20.01.03 9:35:00 PM
Hi Guys, thanks for those sites,I will be visting them,I have a bit of a problem with April today as you know she is laminitic, anyway I think she has developed a dust allergy, she is showing all the signs as this, the problem I have is she can't cope with any fertlizers,so she is on pure orgainic hay,also she can't cope with very good quality hay,so I really don't know what I am going to do if it turns out to be a problem with the hay with her?she also has to go in when there is any frost about and has always been on shavings,I am going to be buying rubber mats this friday in hoping its the shavings and not the hay,also there isn't anything other alfafa she can cope with too,can I wet this down? have any of you got any ideas if it turns out she has a problem with the hay?she is 32 years old,she retired but I want her to have a comfortable life of what she has left of it,and I am really trying hard to get her over this winter,which has been very worrying and is worrying that I am not going to be able to do it, she is perkey and happy in herself and she is eating well, but Its her body giving in, so any advise would be great Thanks Vxxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieJATaylor
Date : 20.01.03 11:42:00 PM
Have you tried her on the timothy Horsehage? In well made haylage nearly all the sugar has been fermented - Horsehage quote typically 1-2%, so it should be safe for a laminitic as long as they aren't allowed to get fat.
You could try well-soaked hay first, I have a mare who coughs a little on dry hay but is fine on soaked. Soaking reduces the sugar in hay considerably too!
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 21.01.03 8:59:00 AM
Hi Jackie,Thanks for that,I do use horsehage for my other two and find it fantastic stuff even for my other mare Zulu who is also laminitic but not with April,she can't cope with horsehage at all,she is so hard to feed,anyway I spent all night with no sleep worrying about her and worrying if I have to make that awful decision to wake up this morning and find her as right as range:O)no signs of dust allergy today at all, it was lovely to find her looking really good,but I did leave her stable door open last night,so have a feeling its the shaving effecting her when she has to be in on box rest.I have to put her in tomorrow as the weather forecast is freezing weather which might bring on the Laminitis in her"it has before" so I think I am going to get some rubber mats,I have priced it out,its going to cost about £180p to cover her stable with them,the shavings I have at the moment is very deep litter bed of them for her, I am wondering if the rubber mats will be enough to keep her off the hard floor with the cold? what do you think? will they be enough to keep her warm,hope you don't mind me sounding all this out to you,but it does help,other wise it just all goes round and round in my head, and it helps to bounce these ideas and thoughts off,Thanks V xxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Ally(North Yorkshire)
Date : 21.01.03 9:17:00 AM
Hi Veronica, I'm wondering if you have thought about another type of bedding? For example shredded paper? I know there are all sorts of dust free allergy beddings that you can buy, but I don't know enough about them all to recommend any. The rubber matting sounds a good idea, although I haven't tried them myself (I use shavings). I do have a horse prone to laminitis though, so I can sympathise with you totally and can understand how you lie awake at night worrying about it! Sorry I haven't got much constructive advice, but I just wanted you to know you aren't alone!!
Ally (North Yorkshire)
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 21.01.03 9:24:00 AM
Thank you Ally,I will have a good look round thanks for that love Vxxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Ally(North Yorkshire)
Date : 21.01.03 9:47:00 AM
Veronica, I have just had a look on the internet and found a product called "easibed" web site is www.easibed4animals.com then you click on recommendations. It sounds just the thing for little April x
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 21.01.03 10:14:00 AM
Ahh thank you so much Ally,that is really really helpful,it looks really good stuff doesn't it,I am going to print it off and take it to where I buy my horses feeds from to see if they can order it for me, thank you again love Vxxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieJATaylor
Date : 21.01.03 11:08:00 AM
Is April the little Cushings pony? What diet is she on? Diet can make a huge difference - there are some supplementary minerals, vits etc that really help a lot of them, and need not be expensive.
As for bedding - I feel they need some to be comfortable. I had my old mare on shavings for a while years ago, and she actually became sensitised to them - snot POURING out of her nose. She was much better on clean straw for the rest of her life. I think the hemp bedding, like Aubiose is less dusty than shavings too.
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Veronica F
Date : 21.01.03 11:57:00 AM
Hi Jackie, no she isn't that pony,I don't know if you remember me talking a long while ago about April being on the product founder guard?,I think you asked me a long time ago about it and was also talking on some threads about the product? she isn't on it anymore for a lot of reasons.I have had her for two years now,she came from a rescue center,and has got a really bad history of lamintis its untrue,she is 32 years old suffers also from arthritis,I really appracate your advise about supplments but she can't cope with any other things than alfafa and hay with no fertilzers in them,I have tried her on all sorts of things which has made her come down ill, but she is okay on alfafa,I have even tried her on some herbs,she is just a very diffrent case then the norm,but thank you anyway for that, and thanks as well about the bedding advice, it has been very helpful,I am going to get the place I go to buy stuff from, to get in that easibed shavings, I think that sounds as if its just what I am looking for thank you both so much love Vxxx
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Wendy S
Date : 21.01.03 2:15:00 PM
Hi Jackie, the shetland we share is the cushions one. He is ony on a handful of hifi light in the evening. One sec hay morning noon and night.(soaked)
He also has 2 quarters of apple with his tablet in. Forgotten thename begins with M(is a human tumor reducing drug.
However we have been told he does not have a tumor, and his type of cushions was not suitable for the trial.
He is such a happy little darling.
W x x
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : gill mcg
Date : 21.01.03 2:35:00 PM
Hi Veronica - my horse is on Easibed on rubber matting - you do have to still use quite a lot of bed with rubber matting otherwise you end up with wet rugs. Found the Easibed very good - very absorbent and clean, no dust at all and smells woody. Pretty easy to muck out - only problem I have is that Concer seems to tap dance in the night and break up the poos which dry up in the easibed into chunks the size of marbles!!! - his stablemate is on the same bedding and his looks SO easy to muck out. Good luck with April.
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Sutton
Date : 21.01.03 2:54:00 PM
Hi Jackie, glad to see you're still around. Are you going to the BETA show this Feb. Vikki and I are going on the Monday so let us know if you are there on that day. Sue
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : liz-horsetalk
Date : 21.01.03 3:21:00 PM
Hi V.
Not sure if it has already been suggested but have you taken a look at Aubiose (Sp!).
This is something that was used successfully with the COPD mare that used to share with my lot until recently.
I think someone already mentioned Hemp and paper.
You could also try peat. This can be helpful for the laminitis side of things too as the peat will mould to the foot so give it added support.
Just some thoughts on that.
With regards food. Not sure I got this tright but if Alfalfa is Ok then how about looking at Dengie Alafa Beet as well as products such as hi-fi lite.
Something else which seems to be mentioned on and off here too is "Le Brick". Not used it so not sure how suitable this might be. I'll dig out tth web Add.
Hope this helps.
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieA-T
Date : 22.01.03 0:31:00 AM
Veronica, could she not even cope with a few vitamins and minerals? Some magnesium and vitamin E for instance?
In what way does she 'not cope'?
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : JackieA-T
Date : 22.01.03 0:32:00 AM
Hi Sue - yes I plan to go, if I don't miss the date again, I've missed it twice I think! Not sure what day yet though - I nromally try for Sunday to avoid the traffic.
Jackie
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From :
Date : 27.03.03 4:39:00 PM
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From :
Date : 23.04.03 8:44:00 AM
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Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Fidget
Date : 28.04.05 9:05:00 AM
Have just spotted this thread Jackie, will hopefully join you too!
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From :
Date : 28.04.05 9:35:00 AM
Interesting research going on with the Laminitic Trust in the UK regarding pituitary dependent Cushings and the use of Agnus Castus (Chaste Berry, Monk's Pepper, Vitex).They're inviting people to become involved in their trials!
www.laminitis.org
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From :
Date : 28.04.05 9:36:00 AM
Laminitis trust trial is now over. Look for the results.
Subject : re:- Laminitis, Cushings, Insulin Resistance - New Group
From : Jackie
Date : 28.04.05 9:38:00 AM
I believe the Laminitis Trust trial has been closed for some time. I supply both dried Vitex and a potent Vitex tincture now.
Jackie
2005(at)MetabolicHorse.co.uk