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Post by clipclop on Mar 3, 2014 21:43:28 GMT 1
In his opinion it comes down to putting him through an op and aesthetic vs the possibility of him maybe getting a prostate problem in old age....... The thing I would personally think about would be the comparison of risk between an operation and anaesthetic as a healthy young adult v's the fact that a prostate issue as an older dog couldbe compounded by other health issues by then. Someone I know with an older entire dog in very good general condition nearly lost him recently with a prostate infection. He was admitted to the vets and thankfully pulled through but it was touch and go. Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by wills on Mar 3, 2014 21:44:44 GMT 1
Aww lovely photos. The girls are beautiful & darling Hugo has been one of my fave DG dogs since you posted his puppy pics
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Post by wills on Mar 3, 2014 21:44:55 GMT 1
Aww lovely photos. The girls are beautiful & darling Hugo has been one of my fave DG dogs since you posted his puppy pics
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Post by auburnalia on Mar 3, 2014 21:44:56 GMT 1
I have just had Ralph (Yellow Lab) neutered, as he was plainly finding his finding his sex drive a bit too much - if he had not, I would not. I have had both neutered and un-neutered dogs and they react to the surgery differently. Ralph who was operated on today, is very distressed indeed. In his case, I really did need to do it, but to be honest, I would not have, if I had not needed to. I almost wish Hugo was finding his sex drive too much so it would be an easy decision. How have your others reacted to the surgery? My hubby does think it sounds like a waste of time! I just don't know what to do for the best. Putting him through an op and destressing him for no gain does not fill me with joy!! Have any of your un neutered dogs had any medical issues which neautering would have prevented? Bertie - nope you can't steal them!! They are all mine!!! :-D But on topic, what makes you think his behaviour will change the older he gets? I asked my vet and he seemed to think any changes in behaviour would have already have happened but I'd be interested in having others experiences too. Xx
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Post by auburnalia on Mar 3, 2014 21:49:29 GMT 1
In his opinion it comes down to putting him through an op and aesthetic vs the possibility of him maybe getting a prostate problem in old age....... The thing I would personally think about would be the comparison of risk between an operation and anaesthetic as a healthy young adult v's the fact that a prostate issue as an older dog couldbe compounded by other health issues by then. Someone I know with an older entire dog in very good general condition nearly lost him recently with a prostate infection. He was admitted to the vets and thankfully pulled through but it was touch and go. Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards Yep very good point! Thank you.
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Post by wills on Mar 3, 2014 21:50:11 GMT 1
And on the subject, we have had 3 dogs and kept them entire with no health issues.
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Post by auburnalia on Mar 3, 2014 21:53:32 GMT 1
Aww lovely photos. The girls are beautiful & darling Hugo has been one of my fave DG dogs since you posted his puppy pics Ahh thanks!! That's lovely! He still gets miles more attention than the twins ever do!!! He really is a perfect dog. Even if he does have fairies living in his brain...!! Tho Tia was perfect in her own way too, its very odd to have people cross the road to see him rather than cross the road to avoid him! Hope you're well too. Xxx
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Post by ladyndibs on Mar 3, 2014 22:02:38 GMT 1
What gorgeous pictures, how tiny were they? Em was lucky hers were 6.1 & 6.13 so didn't need special care. the funny thing is I offer ever couple of days to go over and help out but she always says if you want to come over you're welcome anytime but we don't need a hand, though she has said she might this week as they have both got colds. Hugo is a bit of a looker too, love the picture of the three of them. They were good weights at 5.6 and 6.13 but Charlotte decided she was going to crash, she found being born too much (natural, well we tried!) so we were rushed into theatre and I was knocked out so they could get them out very quickly by c-sec... was a whirlwind of horridness. I didn't meet Sophie for 3 hours and Charlotte for 6. And didn't get to hold Charlotte till she was off breathing apparatus the next day... But they bounced back very quickly and special care were amazing! Well, if your daughter doesnt need help she's doing better than me..!! Good on her! Enjoy them, its really lovely! I don't know that it's a case of doing better, I think it's as much luck as anything else, two like my first daughter anyone could cope with, very easy baby, Emma my second daughter, complete and utter nightmare, it was a struggle just to cope with her, two like her and I think I'd have left home and on my own too lol.
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Post by cookie on Mar 3, 2014 22:22:14 GMT 1
I don't know anything about dogs but wow, cuteness over load!
I really don't know how folks manage with twins, well done you!!!
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Post by heidi on Mar 3, 2014 22:34:23 GMT 1
Your girls are beautiful Auburnalia! And Hugo has grown into a very handsome chap.
Buster, my first boy was done aged 6 months, as he had a hernia that needed operating on, so he had both things done at once. He grew into a very big and hairy boy, but it didn't alter his personality at all. Elmo was done at 14 months. I have to confess that I cried when I left him at the vets! But we have 3 intact JR bitches next door, that get out frequently and my dad's Collie bitch in the house! It hasn't altered his personality either. He is still very whizzy, slim and very short coated. Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Post by ruthp on Mar 3, 2014 22:51:55 GMT 1
Gorgeous pics! But just be careful about saying never..... I too would NEVER dress dogs in clothes, until I got a rescue greyhound who refuses to allow you to remove her jumper from November to March unless you have lit the fire or are holding up the clean one you are going to put on her. And yes, I am deeply embarrassed to have a dog for whom I knit jumpers, but at least she's not fat!
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Post by auburnalia on Mar 3, 2014 23:08:08 GMT 1
I think I'll cry too Heidi!!!
Haha Ruth, that's to keep her warm tho so is a necessity its not for fashion (if one can call it that!) So it's totally permissable!! Greyhounds do get cold bless them, well apart from my sister's ex racing grey but that's coz she lives in oz!!
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Post by annas on Mar 4, 2014 11:25:52 GMT 1
I had both my boys done when they were 18 months old. They actually went to the vets on the same day so we got it all over and done with in one go. I didnt notice any negative changes in their personalities or their weights. Chilli was starting to get a little dominant especially with other dogs which is why it gacve us the push to get it done. Oscar was not showing any problems but the aim was always to have both castrated. I agree that an operation as a young healthy adult outweighs the risk of treatment if a problem develops in an older dog. We get a lot of dogs walking past our house, some of them are bound to be bitches in season. So one i wouldnt want them frustrated by this but also the last thing i want is them wandering off on a scent! We have had bitches in the past and when they have been in season we have literally had dogs camping out on the doorstep! I didnt want my dogs to be one of them doing that!! Also if i was out walking and we met a female in season i wouldnt want any accidents happening! There are enough dogs being randomly bred without my dogs contributing to the problem! Plus i doubt the owner of the female would be too impressed!!
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Post by chantrelle on Mar 4, 2014 16:30:33 GMT 1
I was looking up reasons to get Border Collies castrated because if it's for a medical reason and the vet recommends it I can claim on insurance (Ker-ching $$$) and I found this. Thought the OP might be interested in it: www.angryvet.com/neutering-and-behavior/
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Post by auburnalia on Mar 4, 2014 18:47:44 GMT 1
Thanks Chanterelle, that's interesting - I wish he had cited some published information but hey ho! He's not touched on the health benefits/negatives either which is really where I need help as I know Hugo's behaviour is just fine as he is so I don't have any qualms about keeping him entire for that reason. Thankfully he does not come into contact with bitches in season, although thinking about it who knows what the future holds if we move house etc etc....... Oh sigh, I need a magic wand. If he turns into a wimp or changes personality I'll be so angry at myself, so much of me is saying if its not broken don't fix it!
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