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Post by taklishim on Jan 12, 2014 18:18:20 GMT 1
Legal does not equal moral. it is morally wrong to take more benefits than you are entitled to or to pay less tax and NI than is due. You may be morally due more money however someone, somewhere is going to have to work to pay you this. I am sure that the majority of the self employed, be they sole traders, partnerships amd limited companies ask their accountants as to how they can arrange their affairs to pay less tax, (legally) That is no different to Starbucks etc. benefits, and lying to get them, are not a career choice. They should be there to support the vulnerable who have fallen on hard times or have serious medical problems. |
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Post by jennyb on Jan 12, 2014 19:31:59 GMT 1
I am an accountant, ALL of my clients want to minimise their tax liability. The difference is, most of them don't want to break the law in doing so. It's not immoral to want to save money, I deal with high net worth people who's tax bills would make your eyes water, they work damned hard for their money.
It is however immoral to break the law, lie and cheat to get more money.
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Post by wills on Jan 12, 2014 22:17:49 GMT 1
Yes I would. People that cheat the system, make it harder for those who genuinely need a helping hand to get it and give people on benefits a bad name. The system is crazy, to much of a lifestyle choice these days.
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Post by HolsBols on Jan 13, 2014 10:37:57 GMT 1
Yes without a doubt i would.
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Post by portiabuzz on Jan 13, 2014 14:32:55 GMT 1
i think cash in hand for some hours and claiming i wouldnt no. to be honesest i dont get involved in other peoples business and report things - maybe because ive never really come across anything like this before
When working as a trainee groom at 16-18 years old got paid £30 per week (got more when older and this was 12years ago) at first job i didnt claim anything and starved most days but i can see someone would claim and work.
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Post by julz on Jan 14, 2014 11:48:45 GMT 1
You can claim and work for cash in hand.. only difference is, is that you need to declare it... so yes, if someone I knew was claiming but working for CIH but not declaring it... I would be a cow and report it.
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Post by amber on Jan 14, 2014 14:38:49 GMT 1
Yep...i would too,..without a doubt.
There's nothing that angers me more than someone claiming benefits illegally (and immorally)...shame on those who do,..however, those that do generally are bone idle/lazy gits that don't give a damn and think the world owes them i've generally found.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 15:20:49 GMT 1
there was a couple who used to share a yard with us, they both didn't work but they claimed benefits. Theyu always seemed to have enough money for cigarettes, going out for nice meals and going on holiday to sunnier shores and there was me working my butt off and my daughter as well working and studying at uni.........so I asked them how they managed it all........turns out he was working on a building site as a brickie for £150 A DAY! I did shop them.......what they were doing was illegal and immoral in my book.........the ironic thing is now they both do claim quite honestly as she is terminally ill and he is crippled with arthritis, but I do not for one moment regret shopping them to the benefits people at all
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Post by amber on Jan 14, 2014 16:55:44 GMT 1
Good for you Christine...here here!..  |
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Post by antares on Jan 14, 2014 18:21:39 GMT 1
without a doubt
I am a civil servant working in a financial environment and according to my terms and conditions of employment it is actually my duty to report any suspected benefit cheating or in fact suspected fraud of any type
Even if I wasn't a civil servant though I would report it
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Post by jackiedo on Jan 15, 2014 21:38:21 GMT 1
yes I would
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Post by rosemaryhannah on Jan 16, 2014 19:42:25 GMT 1
Of course lying and cheating is wrong. But other things can be wrong, without being illegal. If you doubt this simple premise, consider that is is perfectly legal to ride your horse in such a way that its tongue turns blue and it finds it hard to breath. To me, evading tax, and I do not mean claiming legitimate expenses, is morally wrong.
People get pushed into a point of utter desperation, and then some of them (not by any means all, but a few, crack and do illegal or stupid things. Consider this.
For the record again, a survey for Netmums of 2000 mothers found, 1 in 5 regularly go without meals to feed their children, 16% are being treated for stress-related illnesses and one third are borrowing money from friends and family to stay afloat. Teachers have reported that thousands of children are going to school hungry, exhausted and poorly clothed. A study by Tesco estimated that one in five people was going hungry.(http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/nick-cohen/2014/01/the-tories-hunger-games/ )
Of course there are also some villains and thieves with no consciences who cheat big time, and they must be cracked down upon.
I know I am in a minority here - but trust me, working as a cleaner, as I do, means I work very very hard for the money I earn, and I find it harder to bear when the rich cheat, than when the poor do. And neither part of society has a monopoly on morality.
Nor, come to that, am I politically uninformed, or ignorant of economics.
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Post by jennyb on Jan 16, 2014 21:29:53 GMT 1
You seem to have taken offence where none was intended RH. Morals are quite an individual thing and it can cause terrible offence when there are differences of opinion. I have been accused of being immoral on here before for riding a lovely horse who happened to have gone in the bullring in his previous life - I was VERY offended at that and the words have stuck with me since. I think sometimes it's best to live and let live.
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Post by cbc on Jan 17, 2014 9:28:46 GMT 1
Answer to op's question, yes I would. I would make sure my facts were right first though  The question of tax loopholes? If they are there, people by their nature, will use them; that is perfectly legal and logical. If they need closing, it is where our rather slow and cumbersome method of democracy needs to be put to work. Ok, a bit simplistic but that is how I see it; I am typing this while short of time as usual. |
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Post by portiabuzz on Jan 17, 2014 18:24:38 GMT 1
Of course lying and cheating is wrong. But other things can be wrong, without being illegal. If you doubt this simple premise, consider that is is perfectly legal to ride your horse in such a way that its tongue turns blue and it finds it hard to breath. To me, evading tax, and I do not mean claiming legitimate expenses, is morally wrong. People get pushed into a point of utter desperation, and then some of them (not by any means all, but a few, crack and do illegal or stupid things. Consider this. For the record again, a survey for Netmums of 2000 mothers found, 1 in 5 regularly go without meals to feed their children, 16% are being treated for stress-related illnesses and one third are borrowing money from friends and family to stay afloat. Teachers have reported that thousands of children are going to school hungry, exhausted and poorly clothed. A study by Tesco estimated that one in five people was going hungry.(http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/nick-cohen/2014/01/the-tories-hunger-games/ ) Of course there are also some villains and thieves with no consciences who cheat big time, and they must be cracked down upon. I know I am in a minority here - but trust me, working as a cleaner, as I do, means I work very very hard for the money I earn, and I find it harder to bear when the rich cheat, than when the poor do. And neither part of society has a monopoly on morality. Nor, come to that, am I politically uninformed, or ignorant of economics. im with you there, MPs expenses anyone ? |
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