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Post by jackiedo on Jan 19, 2013 21:36:09 GMT 1
I think so. You should be at the very least expected to check out the mare owners, check out everything and keep in touch. I know the stallion owner in this case
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Post by ladyndibs on Jan 19, 2013 21:47:25 GMT 1
I think so. You should be at the very least expected to check out the mare owners, check out everything and keep in touch. I know the stallion owner in this case Jackie how long would you see the stallion owner being at least partially responsible for the mare, until birth, weaning? What happens when you sell a horse are you still responsible for that horse and if so for how long? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 22:03:25 GMT 1
Jackie think how Emma and me feel about this, we introduced her to Taz and we assured the owner that Taz would be taken care of and looked after. When we left the yard she was at we left a beautiful happy fit and expectant horse, imagine our shock today when we got told what had happened to her. Emma nd me both feel some kind of responsiblity as we were instrumental in her owner getting her...................if someone at the ayrd had got in touch with us and explained the situation we would have found some way to get her off there and bring her to our yard and care for her there......................Happa have her now so at least she is safe.
The yard owners also bear some blame for letting things get to that stage, and they cvannot plead ignorance at all, they knew what was going on and they stood there and did sod all.......... her previous owner is in tears right now, she always said if things went wrong to tell her and she would have her bought her back like a shot.............they had the number to call and still they didn't.....................but at least she and her foial are safe and in good knowledgable hands now but it should never have got to this stage at all in the first place.
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Post by madmare1 on Jan 19, 2013 22:58:12 GMT 1
Only just found out that the stallion owner sent her back pretty poor, and she has gone downhill since then!
Emma xx
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Post by cbc on Jan 19, 2013 23:38:02 GMT 1
madmare, this person is an adult who bought a horse. You and christine0810 will feel responsible but you are not. You cannot know what was going through her new owners mind when she bought her, and when she put her in foal. The owner was responsible.
I also agree that the yard owner was negligent; the poor mare was on their property and they carry some responsibility by omission (wasnt there a case like this some years ago?)
How do you "check out" a mare owner? If the mare comes to you (as a stallion owner) in good condition, how on earth do you check them? What part of data protection do you invoke for that one? I am genuinely puzzled.
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Post by jackiedo on Jan 20, 2013 10:49:17 GMT 1
cbc .. responsible for the FOAL, and satisfied that the people who have the mare are competent
There is an amazingly large amount of publicly available information which allows you to build a picture. And you can always ask for a vet reference like "do you mind if I call your vet please".. I have been asked that myself and have done it myself and I was not offended
I am not insulting you here at all. I also have no stallions, BUT for example, when I sell my puppies I make sure that the people who buy them are competent, who they say they are and yes.. I do check them out. If they don't like it they can go elsewhere, and if I was a stallion owner I would do the same checks. The last thing I would want is something with my name on it that ends up a welfare case. I accept that bad things can happen to good people, and that circumstances can and do change, but too many people just ask "how are you paying" and leave it at that. I think that the stallion owner in this case WOULD want to know, then she knows who to avoid in the future at least
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Post by jackiedo on Jan 20, 2013 10:51:46 GMT 1
Emma do you hear from Senator's owners, I wonder how he is going on? I know that you put a lot of effort into finding the right home for him
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Post by mandal on Jan 20, 2013 10:52:37 GMT 1
madmare, this person is an adult who bought a horse. You and christine0810 will feel responsible but you are not. You cannot know what was going through her new owners mind when she bought her, and when she put her in foal. The owner was responsible. My feeling exactly. |
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Post by curlytobiano on Jan 20, 2013 11:22:04 GMT 1
Oh Emma and Christine bless you! I can imagine how you must feel but this is NOT your fault and like others say, unless you have a crystal ball how could you possibly know this was going to happen. What I take from this is a reminder of how little control we have over most of the horses we know and how you cannot be too careful when selling or passing on. (I know this wasn't the case here but it's th situation I would be most likely to find myself in)
((((Hugs)))) x
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Post by madmare1 on Jan 20, 2013 11:38:37 GMT 1
Senator is ok..got another good friend keeping her beadies on the lad.........if anything goes wrong there, I can find 2 or 3 places for him to go...thats not a problem. The person with Senator has the TB that is in foal to Cas Ravel again....
Emma xx
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Post by cbc on Jan 20, 2013 13:14:47 GMT 1
Yes I agree with you entirely Jackiedo about stallion owners worth their salt establishing the competence and suitability of mare owners, I think I was over thinking the checking out bit.  Stallion owners I have come across do care about the stallion's progeny as it does reflect on them but it isnt always easy to do this as appearances and what people say can be deceptive. Some, and I can think of a couple of big studs I was aware of in the past, didnt care, the money was the motivator. And indeed mare owners should be checking out stallion keepers, where their mare is going, etc. Having said that,I am not quite so sure how long a stallion owner can be a part of keeping in touch with a mare owner and the foal without becoming closer to the person if you see what I mean. Some people do stay in touch, some are not interested in doing so. |
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Post by midgey on Jan 20, 2013 13:31:41 GMT 1
You are not responsible . The yard owner, the groom , other people on that yard are all responsible ,as well as the mares owner obviously. How can a horse on a yard get like that.? I think a rug can hide a multitude of sins.I am glad the mare and foal are safe now.
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Post by madmare1 on Jan 20, 2013 13:50:42 GMT 1
Just heard that her previous owner Claire has been in touch with HAPPA and is going to go and have a reunion with Taz this afternoon, they bent the rules a little so that she could go and see her as she was so distraught on the phone to them to say it will be somewhat emotional will I think be an understatement!
HAPPA have said that we, mum and me can go up and see her in couple of weeks when she is out of the isolation boxes, so we will be paying her a visit. Think Claire might be able to get her back from HAPPA and take care of her at home in a little while once she has put some weight on and is looking more like ahorse than a walking hat rack!
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Post by ladyndibs on Jan 20, 2013 14:00:49 GMT 1
I bet your visit won't come a moment too soon for you and your mum, hopefully she will have improved quite a bit and you know that she will go from strength to strength.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 14:40:15 GMT 1
will be going up there armed with polo's carrots and whatever else we can think of as treats fro her, cannot begin to explain how much the last 24 hours have been, such an emotional rollercoaster for all of the people who know Taz, still have not been able to tell her original owner Barbara what has happened and probably won't as I know she is not in the best of health, but will take plenty of piccie when we visit and will post them so that you can all see the lovely lady as she should be
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