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Post by wabuska on Jan 8, 2013 0:06:40 GMT 1
I just read this recommendation in a magazine. You put the whip end... short crop obviously.. into a plastic drinks bottle and tape it there. The bottle makes a nice rattle but no sting for the horse. I think Flynn would hit Jupiter and a few other planets before landing on the only good leg I have left!
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Post by megnum on Jan 8, 2013 0:11:59 GMT 1
Cannot see any horse I know taking kindly to that!
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Post by madmare1 on Jan 8, 2013 0:15:02 GMT 1
used for training Arabians to stand in that god awful frozen pose in hand! you know, head in the air, scared stiff pose....
Don't think I will be trying this with any of mine, the girls would have the mother of all knicker attacks, and Prince would just ignore it, unless there was something tasty in the bottle!
Emma xx
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Post by jen1 on Jan 8, 2013 0:24:04 GMT 1
Ive got a bottle taped to a long garden cane , I used for clicker and agilty , free schooling and so on
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Post by wabuska on Jan 8, 2013 0:28:19 GMT 1
But... would you climb on and give it a rattle behind your leg...........yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!
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Post by madmare1 on Jan 8, 2013 0:39:27 GMT 1
errr no, I am not a trained astronaut and don't quite fancy leaving Earth just yet!!! We'd definitely win a speed class if I did that! WHOOOOSH....and the blazing hoofprints belong to..........
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Post by specialized on Jan 8, 2013 9:45:48 GMT 1
I suppose it is not dissimilar to the carrot stick with a plastic bag on the end for desensitisation - a horse will get used to anything eventually, but the downside I have seen is they become dead to any aid if overdone and you end up not being able to ride without it.
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Post by cbc on Jan 8, 2013 10:15:20 GMT 1
I can see the use as a target for CT, I have used a plastic bottle with rice in a a desensitizing tool sometimes. I suppose for a very "dead to the leg" horse it is better than hitting if used sparingly.............................. Dont ask me to try it on Willing though
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Post by annas on Jan 8, 2013 10:17:58 GMT 1
When you say there is no "sting" for the horse does that mean that you are supposed to hit them with it like a whip? I think that makes it quite different from a carrot stick or similar!
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Post by wabuska on Jan 8, 2013 10:58:34 GMT 1
That's how it was described by the NH trainer in Your Horse.. actually, I think she used the word 'pain'.. ie. the end of a naked whip connecting with the horse. I think it makes a decided 'rattling' noise. That and the flash of the clear bottle... that would do it for us anyway.... (cartoon in Technicolour).. yeesh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2013 11:37:18 GMT 1
I suppose it depends how its used. If the noise and sight of it make the horse go forwards when requested I don't see it as any different to people carrying a whip that they hit their boot with or a giddy up rope to give a visual cue. Clearly it's not meant for horses who are already forwards and using it with a very spooky horse could be counterproductive - but the same could be said for a whip or giddyup.
Talin decided to plant a couple of weeks back and I was totally stuck for 20 minutes. The next day I took a whip to smack my boot with and as I got on he was shying away from the whip just floating there, because he'd never been ridden with one before. I'd imagine with a horse accustomed to a whip they'd respond like that to the bottle, until it's effect inevitably wore off then they'd ignore it's presence like they do a whip.
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Post by mandal on Jan 8, 2013 11:41:12 GMT 1
I can see a sort of logic in it, you certainly couldn't use your crop hard to hit or the bottle would fly off. I'd feel a bit of a twit though. lol
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Post by bertie666 on Jan 8, 2013 11:52:18 GMT 1
But... would you climb on and give it a rattle behind your leg...........yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw! On Armana - no problem, shes very switched off and laid bag to aids and going faster lol - she'd just turn round, look at it and resume snail pace On Whin - sh!t no! Id be joining Kanga on Jupiter! At least its a way of escalating stimulation without going to hitting the horse...
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Post by jen1 on Jan 8, 2013 13:08:40 GMT 1
But... would you climb on and give it a rattle behind your leg...........yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw! Yes if that horse and the training warrented it, ive not read the topic just your reply, I take it its an impulse thing, and if so no worse than a whip wop, or other aid, it how those aids are used and if it stops horses neing jabbed in the ribs then I dont see a problem , surely any one with hlf a brain will have done spook busting desensitization so there would not be frightened by anything theere human chooses to use!
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Post by misty on Jan 8, 2013 13:44:34 GMT 1
Wouldn't work with Rosie Arab. When she was started one of the things I did was put a carrier bag with empty tin cans on her saddle (after she had investigated them and they had been rattled) and she would lope round with them clattering no problems.
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