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Post by lizpurlo on May 28, 2012 10:54:32 GMT 1
Monty, you are a star. That wretched thread certainly wasn't this DG's finest hour, and I was shocked and deeply saddened to read some of the responses by people who should have known better even after your moving and heartfelt first reply.
Please, Monty, focus on Kayti's lovely post, and the other positive responses. And forget the rest; I am totally in awe of the work you're doing with these poor damaged horses - the vast majority of us on here, and our beloved horses, owe you a far bigger debt of gratitude than you will ever know. Liz xx
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Post by wills on May 28, 2012 10:57:06 GMT 1
I couldnt watch the whole clip as I found the first minute or so upsetting. I followed the thread with intrest and was glad to see such a promt and detailed reply from Monty.
I have a friend with very ehhm alternative "training" methods & I have heard of her doing some things that I find shocking, why do i remain friends with her? Because im hoping that in time i can persuade her into a new way of thinking & I believe slowly I am getting there. There was a time when she thought hitting her mare & youngster was an acceptable way to teach them to load... Not anymore. Some people in my IH/NH crowd are suprised i am friendly with this girl but if/when I can get her to change it'll be worth it.
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Post by sandy on May 28, 2012 10:57:12 GMT 1
Well said Kitty McSpeilberg McGormley ! I know without a single doubt, that my horse, along with many thousand others, have a far better life since Mr Roberts came into our lives.
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Post by jill on May 28, 2012 11:02:52 GMT 1
Is it just here or is it widespread in t'internet? People jumping to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence? I have seen it here a lot, and been on the receiving end (remember my thread about thin soles??) and it can be very upsetting, when you do the best you can according to what you have in front of you and then people jump to the wrong conclusions. I didn't post on the original thread because I didn't have access to all the evidence, for or against, and we should all remember that there are people on the other end of our comments who may or may not be guilty as accused. For what it's worth I am a big believer in "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and work from the inside, instead of preaching and alienating. It's about having a ful picture.
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Post by KimT on May 28, 2012 11:06:42 GMT 1
I didnt comment on the other thread as I had the impression it would be a witch hunt.
I went to see a Lipizzaner for loan yesterday and unfortunately I will not be having it. I looked at this skinny horse with no shoes cause they had 'fallen off' in the field and a poorly fitting saddle walk and trot (though foot sore) around the school for its rider. I was told it could be a bit silly and 'naughty' and doesnt always want to go forward. I stood there as the rider asked for a whip thinking 'thank god I know there is a better way'. I wouldnt have thought that or seen all the little signals of discomfort this horse was giving off if it wasnt for Monty.
This horse was so good natured that he 'put up with it'. It's sickening.
Thanks to Monty there IS a better way for us and our horses.
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Post by daisysp8 on May 28, 2012 11:09:59 GMT 1
Is it just here or is it widespread in t'internet? People jumping to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence? I have seen it here a lot, and been on the receiving end (remember my thread about thin soles??) and it can be very upsetting, when you do the best you can according to what you have in front of you and then people jump to the wrong conclusions. I didn't post on the original thread because I didn't have access to all the evidence, for or against, and we should all remember that there are people on the other end of our comments who may or may not be guilty as accused. For what it's worth I am a big believer in "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and work from the inside, instead of preaching and alienating. It's about having a ful picture. This .... ^^^^ I don`t think Monty will be too hurt, and i`m sure he`ll bounce back from it super quick. He`s a tough old boot, will have to had to have been to make the changes that he has in the horse world over the years. I don`t think the word "resilience" quite covers the amount of misunderstandings and knock backs he will have endured over his 77 years !! ;D There will always be folk out there who get the wrong end of the stick and then try and beat you with it ... crikey i think we all know a few folk like that Most know Montys good intentions, and there is no doubting the good that comes from his work.
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Post by Lorraine L on May 28, 2012 11:16:15 GMT 1
Cruetly and abuse are worldwide and there to see daily but for every person who learns to question how we feel about it, means that horses and humans can address the issues and make a difference. Imagine the world without Monty Roberts ? Thousands of horses would still be suffering at the hands at people who didn't know better not to mention the children he has nurtered and coached into gentle human beings. Each of us will carry forward his teachings and question more and more wrong doings. I am proud of you Mr Roberts for your honesty and that uniquely you do not have reason to hide behind any area of your work. I am sorry that anyone has hurt you. xx
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Post by antares on May 28, 2012 11:17:31 GMT 1
Is it just here or is it widespread in t'internet? People jumping to conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence? I have seen it here The internet is full of keyboard warriors Jill. Not just horsey forums, any online community. They're the kind of people that make sly comments on forums but then don't even darted say hello to anyone if they meet them in real life but just like to cause trouble online
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Post by sarahandrieu on May 28, 2012 11:18:19 GMT 1
I didn't post in the original thread because I never get involved in threads like that online for various reasons.
What I would just like to say, however, is that I think how that thread was responded to says a lot for Monty and for IH and Kelly. If you think of other NH organisations (I'm sure I don't need to name here) any negative footage is miraculously 'vanished' by their PR department and never discussed or explained, or simply dismissed as those watching it are too ignorant to understand what's really going on. I'm glad we have a greater level of honesty and open-ness.
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Post by mandal on May 28, 2012 11:20:26 GMT 1
Cruetly and abuse are worldwide and there to see daily but for every person who learns to question how we feel about it, means that horses and humans can address the issues and make a difference. I have been a long and staunch supporter of Monty and IH and the thing they taught me is to question. It will be a sad day when questioning is no longer possible on this DG for me I'm afraid. The DG and Monty have endured much more robust and nasty attacks on Monty and IH over the years I have been a member.
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Post by natty on May 28, 2012 11:26:51 GMT 1
I watched the video and although I did see the horse getting a but agitated I also thought monty knows what he's doing, I mean some humans get agitated very quickly as do animals, surely if he backed down the minute he got nancy he wouldn't have got anywhere?
I didn't read any of the posts after but that is my opinion of the footage.
Monty is still my hero!!!
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Post by antares on May 28, 2012 11:30:19 GMT 1
Mandal I don't think anyone thinks that we shouldn't be able to question things but some threads do turn into more of a witch hunt and a way to force opinion on others rather than taking a balanced look at things
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Post by lisap on May 28, 2012 11:37:39 GMT 1
Perhaps I'm in the minority who feel uplifted and reassured that this DG is populated by people who will express concern and doubt over anything with which they are uncomfortable. Even if that means being concerned about a video featuring someone who is greatly respected - and indeed, loved. It is not wrong to question something, and Monty has done absolutely what we respect him for - answered the question. Some of us shy away from anyone or any system that to us, resembles a cult with a Guru at the head of it, and the Equestrian world seems hellbent on creating cults/methods and Gurus everywhere you turn these days. The regular questioning of IH here on an IH board has to be the antithesis of "Guru -ism" and is all the more healthy for that. I'm with Voltaire on this one "I might not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it", and I think we've seen that to good effect time and again on this board. There is nothing wrong with being called to account occasionally and having to justify actions. It happens to all of us, and more so to those who find themselves in the public eye. Monty, Kelly and any of us who put themselves forward, or are put forward, as exponents of certain opinions and methods will sometimes find ourselves called to task - and we have to live with that, even if we feel misrepresented or misunderstood on occasion. Better to be called to account by people who have a genuine wish to support and understand someone's actions rather than those who wish to tear down and destroy a reputation.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 11:38:39 GMT 1
Agreed antares, there were some people questioning and hoping for answers, but there were others who'd already decided Monty was guilty of cruelty which is a very different thing.
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Post by marianne on May 28, 2012 11:44:09 GMT 1
Lisap, VERY nicely put xxx
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