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Post by mandal on Jan 5, 2012 11:22:44 GMT 1
I'd switch to hay, haylage can upset the gut in some horses. Yea sac is something to consider for hind gut support(along with charcoal). Talk to the Vet about the possibility of blood worms as well...
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Post by laurac on Jan 5, 2012 11:27:05 GMT 1
dont know if you read my thread about my boy, he had clear worm egg counts but had recurring colic and was always gassy and stressy, although he had a good weight on him, he was also wormed regularly, my vet oeste strongly suspected red worms so we gave him 2 shots of dectomax 3 weeks apart, he is no longer gassy, colicy or stressy and his pelvis is now mobile which it hasnt been for yrs (it just realsed itself on its own after the worming!) Red worms are often resistant to panacur guard, i would maybe do panacur guard 5 day and then equest The red worms my boy had were living in his arteries supplying blood to the gut hence all his gut problems over the yrs, they only go into the gut to lay eggs every now and again so often you dont see eggs in the poo samples When my boy had his worming injections he was very stressy and not happy for a while but is now an angel on 4 legs and is currently on a detox My vet/oeste has treated a number of horses for the same problem successfully since she heard about this in germany
MTA the reason we chose the dectomax injections is because we didnt want to put worming chemicals directly into an already compromised gut and my fella is fine with injections but not worming syringes also we suspected his strain of worms were resistent to regular wormers i had been using, dectomax isnt licenced for horses for worming but if often used for horses for mites, we gave 33 ml into neck muscle twice 3 weeks apart (my horse is probably around 660 kgs) My barefoot trimmer came yesterday and said 'b1oody hell' when she saw his feet, loads of growth and positive changes since last visit which i put down to his gut now being able to work properly
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Post by jen1 on Jan 5, 2012 12:35:54 GMT 1
the vet took a dung sample, he is popping a 5 day panacur in with the steroids to collect this morning just to be 100% certain, I have a friend who does teeth, vet has checked but i'll get her second opinion to be on safe side, sorry forgot to say earlier, she has solid poos x so that would leave bloods for tape worm, billie was like this the forst year she was with me, only dr green gained any weight on her, she was an ex racing brood mare,
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Post by big e on Jan 5, 2012 13:17:41 GMT 1
No advice as i have all good doers but good luck with her
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Post by mrsfields on Jan 5, 2012 14:12:19 GMT 1
also questioning the speedibeet tbh...
i would also suggest some Alfa-A and a good conditioning feed...
she sounds similar to a young ex-racer i knew - she looked so emaciated and came to the yard in the winter - the owner fed her on 8 litres of stud-mix (mixed flakes) a day with ad-lib hay and that did help eventually... i couldn't believe how much food she was packing away compared to my good-doers, but she really seemed to need it!
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Post by varkie on Jan 5, 2012 14:31:31 GMT 1
I'm hoping that Top Spec can give you good advice - I've always found them really helpful.
Echo all the others - if the only feed is Speedibeet, it's not much of a surprise if weight gain isn't much / at all. Speedibeet is more of a filler than anything.
Something in poor condition really needs to be on a fibre base, with a balancer / hard feed / conditioning feed. Personally I also like adding linseed.
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Post by KimT on Jan 5, 2012 14:36:47 GMT 1
I have had 2 exracers (one from a racing yard) and it does take a long time to get them right when it comes to feed.
I would recommend something fibre based like Alfa-A/Alfa-A oil.
Jack used to be on Allen and Page's calm and condition and he did really well on that. If we fed a beet in the winter it was alfa beet.
Small feeds little and often are good to help give her feed in more digestable portions. I am surprised that the vet didnt offer more advice or at least point you in the right direction. They probably saw 'just another tb'.
Good luck with her.
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Post by steve on Jan 5, 2012 15:31:34 GMT 1
I would suggest something like Allen & Page L mix, as it's high fibre and low in starch.
I have to give Casper Red Cell in the winter as he also can get a little anemic, and would highly recommend it.
I was going to suggest the Panacur 5 day wormer but see she is going to be having this which is good, and also is she warm enough?
It might just be a bit of a shock to the system going from a racing environment to a normal one - I hope she pulls round.
Steven
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Post by tobyh on Jan 5, 2012 16:08:16 GMT 1
I would really push your vet to scope for ulcers. Hindgut ulcers cause weight loss. We have a mare here, she lost so much weight over a period of 3 or 4 months, and slightly anemic, dull coat she was initially scoped at the beginning of her weight loss and nothing showed. After 4 months vet back and forward he suggested rescoping her she had grade 4 uclers, the difference in 2 months of gg and antibiotics and the difference is unbelievable she doesnt look the same horse, and what was even more amazing was once the ulcers were cured how quickly the weight went on. Can show you pictures if you would like.
My vet is very very hot on ulcers, and to be totally honest I have had the whole yard scoped as a precautionary measure after this mare, and 3 out of 10 had ulcers (although not as severe and not causing issues), but now treated and are all on management systems tailored to each horse.
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Post by sazjayp on Jan 5, 2012 16:13:02 GMT 1
I'd use Alfa A oil and add extra oil to the feed, along with a good balancer. My good doers are on speedibeet as a low cal filler, so wouldn't be much use to add condition used on it's own.
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Post by holi on Jan 5, 2012 16:28:56 GMT 1
I had a weight problem with a young horse once and used an 'alternative' vet who used herbal remedies and feed supplements as therapy. He was also a vet but said that really they are more suited for many chronic conditions. One of the vets at the practice was from Oz and she said there they use far more nutriceuticals when managing horses. I found it very beneficial as it turned out he had gut damage from worm problems when young and an intolerance to certain feeds.
I used Tim Couzens here is Sussex - he might do distance consultations or recommened someone locally.
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Post by holi on Jan 5, 2012 16:32:14 GMT 1
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Post by KimT on Jan 5, 2012 16:53:55 GMT 1
Excellent point Steve. Is she warm enough?
My mum and I were mental about keeping Jack warm. He had to be toastie under every rug when we left him at night. He had 16 rugs in the end. Billy (my other tb) had 15 rugs. Each one researched. lol. Tb's will drop masses of weight if they are cold.
I'm not recommending that amount of rugs but make sure she is toastie (not just luke warm).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 17:00:26 GMT 1
I had a TB on loan who dropped a mahoosive amount of weight in the winter, really shocked me but his owner said he tended to do it most years. I found linseed oil made the biggest difference - I've since used micronised linseed which is cleaner and they'll eat more of it.
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Post by anastasia55555 on Jan 5, 2012 17:09:15 GMT 1
Conditioning feed wise ive been using ready mash extra for toffee this winter and Pol is getting a bit too along with alfa a oil. So far, by far the best for toffee who drops weight very quickly. She is just med weight rugged as she does have a good fluffy coat, but it does tend to get wet and stay wet. They also get a couple of wedges of hay and a good few armfuls of haylage along with what is slowly growing in the fields. Dr green was what gained toffees weight over the summer, so its now a case of keeping it on. On the website for ready mash there is info on the varying feeds they do.
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