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Post by horsefeed on Dec 12, 2011 11:09:10 GMT 1
how do you?
She is 4 rising 5, will wear a saddle booked in for teeth and woolf teeth out next week.
Leading etc she is brillant, lunging however!!
She walks and trots really nice circle and then with no warning she spins outwards and bolts, I am unable to hold her as the lunge is then across the creat of her neck!
I have tried in Dually, caveson and rope halter and none have made a difference, at the moment lunging is a 2 person job as i have to hold her with 2 hands and anchor myself as best as I can and my friend stands next to me and does the commands!
We have introduced long reining of a Dually to and she gasped that and was brillant straight away.
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Post by julz on Dec 12, 2011 11:19:00 GMT 1
If she's ok with longlining in the dually, then why not just long line in a circle? makes more sence as you have the two reins, and can block her from bolting, plus keeping even pressure on either side of her. Jay will not lunge, but will circle on two lines in a dually.
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Post by jen1 on Dec 12, 2011 11:25:53 GMT 1
sounds to me she possibly isnt balanced,and some in hand work will teach obedience and get her listening to you,
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Post by sarahbing on Dec 12, 2011 11:30:01 GMT 1
If she were mine I would stick to longlining for now. If you really want to lunge, find an enclosed area where she cannot get away from you, as she will learn fast and you will reinforce the behaviour each time she does this 'successfully' Also, think carefully about where you stand. Stay at a 45 degree angle so you can drive her, rather than in the middle where you may be inadvertently blocking her forward movement.
Keep sessions short for now, so she doesn't get physically tired and look for evasions. Then, when the previous problems are less prominent in her memory, and when her teeth have been done and settled down, you have the option of long lining from the bit if you want to, and get her used to a contact from the ground.
Hope this helps
I would also strongly recommend a visit from an RA, as they really will get you on the right track when starting youngsters. It is so much easier to avoid the behaviours developing than it is to put them right once established!
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Post by horsefeed on Dec 12, 2011 12:05:16 GMT 1
I have backed loads of youngster she is my 5th one this year and last year I backed 7 and year before 4. 3 of the 1st years 4 got 1st, 2nd, and 3rd at local pony club camp this year so feel I have more then enough ability, I have just never come across this reaction, if they decide to go normally they shot forwards so you get let them go a little before circling back round but she runs back on herself so you are unable to pivot as lunge across her neck!! She is very intelligent! She long reins on a Dually fine but will still attempt the same thing on circle and is very strong to pull back round and is you try and stop her she will buck so I wary of standing behind her! She also has an attitude and is a bit of a bully with other horses! I eventually resorted this morning to the small gravel back pen which is about 14ft square but where she couldn't get away from me and with 2 of use we got a couple of nice circles and left it for the day! She is lovely and dodly to handle and is generally very respectful of people and can be handled by children! Very strange, I think I will stick to the small yard for a week and then move up to the bigger yard and increase the paddock size as she gets the hang of it.
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Post by sarahbing on Dec 12, 2011 12:10:28 GMT 1
Sorry if that came across as patronising, is wasn't meant to. As she is so different to handle around the yard as she is to lunge, could it be pain related?
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Post by donnalex on Dec 12, 2011 12:16:27 GMT 1
Make a round pen and lunge without ay constraints. She can spin and buck and do anything she likes but when she has finished she has to go to work. Dot try to put any reins at all on her as when she gets strog you are teaching her to resist and pull and you are creating the wrong muscles to get stronger.
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Post by horsefeed on Dec 12, 2011 13:07:08 GMT 1
Hi Sarah, thats cool sorry I misread it too  Round pen is on my list, my Boyfriend is on a mission at the moment to try and build a safe secure one as cheapily as possible. Would you bascially loose school her on a circle in a round pen then? |
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Post by rj on Dec 12, 2011 13:36:06 GMT 1
'I have backed loads of youngster she is my 5th one this year and last year I backed 7 ...'
... and now you've met one that shows you have a gap in your skillset! Perfect learning opportunity for you, be grateful for it, and admit that we all (however experienced) can increase our knowledge and be better for our horses.
My angle would be to find out why she feels the need to do this and resolve the issue rather than just treat the symptoms.
I agree Pony Nutt that you will teach her more about resistance if you continue to have to fight her.
RA's aren't just (for Christmas or) for us numpties you know, they have trained for many years and can offer their expertise and an uncritical eye to the benefit of the most expert of horsepeople. And they continue their own personal development and learning all the time.
You'll be amazed what they can spot that no 'normal' person can. They're downright spooky like that ;-)
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Post by horsefeed on Dec 12, 2011 15:48:06 GMT 1
I have had RA's out in the past when needed, Sarah Weston was brillant with Illie a pony we had a few years ago that we couldn't even get near! She has a headcollar on him in 1 afternoon and all the work I do with nervious/feral ponies is based on this! I am very envious of their talent infact and I am grateful for this pony as you quite rightly said she is a learning curve and I am sure with time we will get to the bottom of this issue.
However RA's are quite expensive (worth it I know - but if you can't afford one at the time you need to look at alternatives) I am going to try lunging her in a small pen tomorrow and see how we get on and if there is no improvement my instructor is going to nip down and have a look.
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Post by 2 bays & a grey:D on Dec 12, 2011 16:10:48 GMT 1
I had this with Nancy- turned out she had ulcers- she no longer has ulcers but is still prone to it. Becky Holden has been my knight in shining armour but again- costs money. Hope you get it sorted...
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Post by annabelle h on Dec 12, 2011 18:04:31 GMT 1
As rj says you need to figure out why she's doing it. Could well be tooth related at her age so would probably leave it until she's been given the all clear there.
Once you're sure it's not pain - would try working her loose just with your body language, then do the same with the longlines/lunge line on but not using them - still just using body language. If she reacts differently it's probably to do with the tack or how you're using it.
Short bits of tape on tall electric fence posts will work fine as a round pen for many horses. Nothing is 100% safe, but builders panels are not a great option.
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Post by annabelle h on Dec 12, 2011 18:07:42 GMT 1
Meant to say worked with one of these earlier this year, she had it down to a fine art! With her it was working on her general manners and attitude to work that helped. She would turn and tank off when things had got a bit too much for her (even though it wasn't demanding at all in the scheme of things). We worked on manners, and having raised energy without going into a paddy, and it worked well.
I wouldn't just keep lunging and try to hold her, it is only going to give her more practise! lol
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Post by donnalex on Dec 12, 2011 18:09:17 GMT 1
Would you bascially loose school her on a circle in a round pen then? Yes that way your hands are free to drive her forwards and with no reins on her at all she can do what else she likes as long as she goes forwards. Once she has settled and accepted work she will be different. Is there nowhere local who has a rond pen? Two or three times in there and yu might make do with poles at home after that. |
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Post by horsefeed on Dec 12, 2011 18:28:05 GMT 1
No where very close with a round pen unfortunately  I am going to go back walks in-hand to start for now get her teeth done next week and then see how we go. She is lovely in every other way, I am almost convinced its a balance thing so loose schooling would help massively. |
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