PS Remember too, that Catherine is married to one of the classical greats, Michel, and has trained daily with him for many years. Alizee is 24 and has trained that horse with only minimal help once a month from Hubert Perring,and on a very small budget. I take my hat off to her!!
My yard owner and her partner along with a couple of other girls do Team Chase with horses wearing head collars and no bits - under the slogan 'Bridless not Brainless' They raise money for breast cancer (the head collars are usually bright pink).
a bad day in the saddle is better than a good day at work
Indeed you can’t expect a Lusitano to move like a Warmblood and vice versa but if the second horse is one of the new Dressage Lusitanos it hasn’t got any PRE left in it.
You have to remember the Lusitano is an offshoot of a horse specifically breed to be the ultimate Riding horse for 100’s of years with a Portuguese twist, the modern Spot Horse in comparison is arguably less of a Purpose breed horse, but then we come back to the old chestnut, FEI Dressage has nothing to do with Classical Riding, the horses are bread for different movements and they evolved from different directions.
Dressage is indeed like so many things subjective and people look at different things, I’m afraid I have spent too long with my friend and have to force myself to look at the rider, I can’t seem to stop looking at the movement, the muscles involved in obtaining it and their use, unless my eye is drawn to the rider by their excessive impediment of the horses movement.
No I wasnt looking just at the rider in the bitless clip- in fact she is in a bit of a chair seat due to being very narrow in the hip and Mistral being quite wide. Have you see some of Catherine's videos of her riding in a bit too? There was one clip that was posted shortly after the bitless clip you posted, when it first went up on youtube, and believe me, it wasn't pretty watching- but it has been taken down.
I wasn't suggesting you just look at the rider, i didn't mean to suggest that, i was just saying i find it hard to watch the rider now as i'm drawn to the horse and as such might see and miss different things to somone who's interests lie elsewhere or have a better understanding of the whole thing, Rider and Horse or specialized area of expertise.
No i haven't seen too many clips, one or two which looked ok, haven't seen any really bad ones, but i guess we all hide those.
What do you think about the differences re with and without a bit?
The differences with and without a bit are pretty much the same as those of Catherine Henriquet, Rik. I think that both are riding for competition rather than for their own personal preferences, in all honesty. Michel, Catherine's husband, as one of Nuno Oliveira's most respected students, is very much for lightness, and I have seen him working Catherine at home to have a very slack contact, but then all the dressage divas jump on it and say the horse isnt working 'through'. Take this clip, for a start, this is very different to how you will see Catherine ride in a competition. I see this as work in progress with neck telescoping nicely and on a very light contact, but for most dressage riders it wouldnt be nearly forward enough into the hand:
I know nothing of you or your background, Rik, so it is difficult to judge what elements you do or don't like in a video clip. Forgive me if I missed an introduction to the DG, and if you did, do direct me to it, as it helps to know which wavelength you are on, in a reply!!
I have not done an introduction, is it compulsory? Is there a repository where you can see others? Or is it just for new people?
I don’t think a little passage would really help, for example just two things out of years of experiences at home and around the world, I am interested in Classical Ridding and Bio Mechanics but that could be misleading imo, as I am interested in horsemanship from the Classical Period in Greece 4th and 5th century BC, it’s resurgence during the Renaissance in Europe and evolution through to the end of the 19h century not the Classical Ridding that evolved during the 20th century which is commonly thought of when Classical Riding is mentioned today.
Similarly the use of Biomechanics in the equine field does not always mean the same thing to everyone, I am interested in the application of engineering mechanics to biological organisms,The devil is in the detail.
The horse in this clip may not be technically perfect or happy in it’s mouth but to me it just has something the other Lusitano doesn’t
I just watch the other one and it doesn’t jump out at me, I look closely and it’s pretty much foot perfect with the bit yet it doesn’t get my attention like the above horse does, maybe that thing that jumps out at you is a personal thing not shared I don’t know.
I guess the easiest way is if your not sure of how to take me, is ask what i meant, i certainly don't intend to antagonise anyone, but i do like details and accuracy, i can't help myself
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