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Post by wabuska on Dec 6, 2011 14:54:38 GMT 1
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Post by KimT on Dec 6, 2011 16:18:57 GMT 1
Poor thing. I most certainly do not like the way it's head is fixed. Lovely spring over the poles but it is almost stiff from having its head pinned.
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Post by Catrin on Dec 6, 2011 17:33:18 GMT 1
I always think that when you watch a horse do something naturally, that is what you should try to achieve when you ride. If you watch any horse being loose schooled over jumps it invariably keeps its head at the exact same angle, regardless of where in space its body is and how high the jump. Here's just four examples:
To me this makes sense because the horse needs to see where it is going in 3D, in order to clear the fence. It has to plan ahead as it can't see where the fence is when it takes off. What do you achieve in training if you take away the possibility for the horse to see where it's going because all you show it is the 2D picture of the ground and where it's been?
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Post by julz on Dec 6, 2011 18:08:33 GMT 1
Now I'd have that down as cruel...... loose jump all you want, but to go repeatedly down a grid having to jump it, bigger and bigger..... with someone in the middle waving a lunge whip around... don't get me wrong, it's kinda nice to see a horse jumping "naturally" but there;s nothing natural about seeing a horse made to jump (i.e can't duck out if it wants too) and as often in Catrins choice of video, the horse is jumping, having to jump too early and put in a huge effort to get over it.
Good jumping is about good control, and waving a lunge whip at horse to jump like that isn't IMO good.
I used to loose school the oldie and put up a jump... had to dismantle it to get him to stop, no grid, no side wings, to keep him in, no pushing him over it.. he jumped because he loved too and wanted too.
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Post by apacherose on Dec 6, 2011 19:39:15 GMT 1
They are not actually draw reins, they are Vienna reins. A sort of side rein that is meant to stop the horse from leaning on them as they are mobile. They can either be attached how they are in the video or from the sides where normal side reins would attach and then back through the bit to higher up where the hands would be when ridden.
I think the horse could have done with slightly more length of rein but he kept in a nice rhythm over the poles.
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Post by Olivia on Dec 6, 2011 19:44:52 GMT 1
the vienna/balancing reins are a tad tight and the poles are a tad high... BUT the horse does look calm and he's doing it easily enough so must be muscled enough to do it. I have to say I'd rather see that than the horse being chased with a lunge whip to jumps which are not inviting and not correctly strided...
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Post by Catrin on Dec 6, 2011 19:48:03 GMT 1
… it's kinda nice to see a horse jumping "naturally" but there;s nothing natural about seeing a horse made to jump (i.e can't duck out if it wants too) and as often in Catrins choice of video, the horse is jumping, having to jump too early and put in a huge effort to get over it. Good jumping is about good control, and waving a lunge whip at horse to jump like that isn't IMO good.… True of course, but it was the most representative of those I could find of the horse's head position. Even better example, if you consider the pressure the horses were under. |
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Post by Catrin on Dec 6, 2011 19:49:16 GMT 1
… I think the horse could have done with slightly more length of rein but he kept in a nice rhythm over the poles. A comment made by many of the Germans commenting on the video. |
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Post by julz on Dec 6, 2011 19:57:11 GMT 1
Is this any good?  |
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Post by wabuska on Dec 6, 2011 20:54:12 GMT 1
Ooh... and nice shot of cavellettis. We're trying to build some!
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Post by BJMM on Dec 6, 2011 20:55:32 GMT 1
I used to work with Grade A show jumpers and they were schooled, hacked and jumped in draw reins. I used to have to unclip them and whip them off just before the horse went into the ring. I knew no better at the time (this was the late 70's) although I did eventually quit working with jumpers as I didn't like the way the horses were treated.
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Post by Catrin on Dec 6, 2011 22:49:55 GMT 1
Interesting picture as even though it's a still image, you can see the horse isn't rushing, is balanced and contemplating what he is doing. Good contrast to the video. Head is allowing the horse to look ahead. |
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Post by bertie666 on Dec 6, 2011 22:55:09 GMT 1
cor I cant even imagine the neck ache that pony has  I think this is the reason my mare waggles her head around and tips it to one side if lunged - I was told she was backed using a pessoa and DR's  |
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Post by donnalex on Dec 7, 2011 14:41:13 GMT 1
Never heard them called Vienna reins before, I would call them laufer reins  I think when the horse was in canter they should have been loosened a bit. |
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Post by wabuska on Dec 7, 2011 14:42:49 GMT 1
Great to hear everyone's thoughts. Not as bad as My first impression then I'd say. I just wondered how he could swing through his back.
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