milo
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milo, lily, bob,henry and monty
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Post by milo on Sept 16, 2010 18:29:06 GMT 1
very intersesting, my henry is 4 next may and were hoping to start him then, hes big enough now but not mature enough ,he loves milo but hes too slow to hack out with as henrys too forward going and lilys too fast.
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Post by sarahbing on Sept 17, 2010 13:42:23 GMT 1
Ruth P said 'if they give the wrong answer, you probably asked the wrong question' I totally agree with this, and with youngsters we have to be quick to reward the intention and the effort, as well as the result, or they quickly become confused and discouraged.
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myboyapollo
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A horse is worth more than riches.
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Post by myboyapollo on Sept 26, 2010 22:40:33 GMT 1
Where do I begin! For me the best tool is patience! I have spent many years riding young horses and every time patience is the key. I would always say never set yourself a time limit for when you want a particular lesson learnt by and expect to go back a few steps before moving on again! There are so many gadgets and gizmo's out there to use that there is always something that will work. It's knowing when something isn't suitable for that particular horse and being willing to try something else instead thats the hard bit. It feels like defeat but it isn't its just working with the horse and their personality and the way they learn. It's no different with children! I know, I have one of those too! We all learn differently. Ever heard of VAK? It stands for Visual (seeing), Auditory (hearing) and Kinesthetic (doing). We all learn by one or a combination of these and a good teacher will know and apply the relevent methods for each individual child. When we are dealing with horses, of any age, we are the teacher, we need to be able to identify how the horse learns. So getting to know the horse is vital as is understanding the horse and seeing the world from their point of view because it is very different than ours! Personally I like to take things slowly, I think riding in a school is a good place to start untill they are happy carrying you and you are confident they are understanding the aids, I don't mean half passes just the basics! Then I like to hack for a while then when I feel they are ready I will do schooling too but I leave jumping till much later on because there is no point asking them to do something so advanced without them being balanced or having trust in you! I do ground work continously! Most lessons they learn on the ground can be directly translated to lessons learnt in the saddle, it's just that they can see you when you are next to them! Hope this helps a little!
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Post by julz on Sept 28, 2010 10:17:39 GMT 1
From ‘Sat on’ to ‘Super’ – the Ideal Training Programme? I’m writing an article (as above) and would love to have people’s opinions/experiences re. what are the key points they feel make up the ideal training programme for a young horse for his first six months after he’s first ridden safely out of an enclosed area. Would you continue any ground work? Would you do all hacking? All schooling? What sort of schooling do you feel is most relevant? What sort of hacking do you feel is ideal? What have been your greatest lessons - good or bad? Is there any producer who impresses you the most? What do you feel is the biggest mistake people make? Have you found any schooling aids that are particularly useful – or particularly harmful? I would love to be able to quote people when appropriate and if I don’t have your real name I’ll use your log in name unless you contact me through the website. I'm going to put this on some other forums as well. I love hearing other people's ideas - it's one of the best things about this 'job'! Hi, I find this quite interested and will look through the replies when I have time. My experience isnt of starting a youngster but of re-starting an 8yr old, but i feel this is revelent, after all starting a horse that's had no experience and re-starting one that has a bad experience is generally the same isnt it? Would you continue any ground work? - Yes deffinetly..anything that keeps the horse in his comfort zone has to be a good thing.. Would you do all hacking? All schooling? - I'd do a bit of both, depending on what stage the horse is at. At the start of J's hacking I longlined him to a certain point with the girl who was to carry on riding him, then we'd take longlines off, put reins on and she'd ride him back with me walking beside her. We increased this to either hacking out on long lines or her riding and me walking, to build up confidence of both horse and rider. What sort of schooling do you feel is most relevant? - we concentrated on his worst features to start with.. he was so sensitive to the leg and while this can be a good thing, for him it wasnt.. the slightest touch and he'd shoot off, only to be brought back again, then the head would go up and we'd be back to square one... we worked on chilling him out, so he'd come to realise that yes we wanted him to go forwards and "off the leg" but not at any great speed. We also worked on balance. What have been your greatest lessons - good or bad? - we've only had good lessons... when we started asking for proper lessons from an instructor Jay has gone from strenght to strength.. trying his best with what we ask for.. Probably in the sence of a good lesson is when he's been asked to do something new, that hasnt been included in previous lessons, and he's done it without a moments hesitation.. The hardest lesson I think was a canter lesson.. It was in canter that he had issues with and his rider was the one who got dumped... so for her.. getting a nice canter from him without all the rushing and taking off has been well rewarded for her... They are a great team and on saturday (25th sept) they competed for the first time in dressage.... It was about this time last year that he started all the boogering off nonsence.. With all the work that's been put into him this year, he's a differnt pony, and it's all thanks to Monty and You for teaching the IH way.... If I had come across Jay in his state last year without the knowledge, i dare say he'd be as bad or worse this year..... If you'd like to quote me then that's fine with me. If you'd like some pics to go with it, give me a shout...
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Amanda Seater
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Post by Amanda Seater on Oct 9, 2010 12:19:35 GMT 1
Would you continue ground work - yes with spook busting and anything to keep the horse interested. If you have an interested horse you have and attentive horse, an attentive horse is a safe one.
schooling and hacking. we do both. continual work on flexions and mobility of the jaw. Again with schooling it is imperitive to make the time interesting, doing trek style obstacles, gates, picing up stuff from one place and putting it down elsewhere etc has a purpose I find this element of purpose is very important to keeping interest in schooling. I intersperse it with "normal" schooling. But stil vary the movements
biggest mistake- 1.being "time sick" rushing, creating too much pressure, whilst forgiving, horses have long memories - ending on a good note is imperitive even if you go back a step or two.
2.making sessions in schooling or hacking too long or tiring.This is sure to lose the horses interest and attentiveness and create a "sour" horse. So many are punished for telling thier trainers they are tired.
Gadjets- would you strap down a balerina to improve her performance? Do you agree with straping down and hitting your friend for the sake of a rosette? Hm not for me.
The first six months should be spent building on the initial trust of backing. It is the start of learning and understanding how to dance with a partener. Neither of us want to be pulled around. It should also be realised that this time is the more difficult one than backing and care should be taken. Misjudgements can be made - but it is impostant to be aware of them and be ready to be flexible and change.
You can wisper all you like to your horse but the trick is to listen and understand;D
Patience and time and joy are key.
Ok I am about to get poetic so I will shut up now!
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