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Post by mags on Jan 1, 2009 16:37:50 GMT 1
How many Ranitadine does a horse need?
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Post by peppertop on Jan 1, 2009 16:49:16 GMT 1
I know what you mean about naturally "naughty"! Horses should have characters. Mags I think you are being introduced to the TB long distance sight thing! They are programmed look into the distance and run there, it seems to have stayed with them and they will often stare at things in the distance, and they don't seem to be aware of there surroundings sometimes. He's on hyper alert cause he isn't settled, whether that be cause he hurts or just afraid. Ithink you find his eyes are fine, just his brain is on overdrive, do some groundwork to get him softer and thinking of you. The only problem I have come across with eyesight is blue eyes. They often don't seem to be able to see things properly under a certain height. I did one that wouldn't jump anything under 3 feet, at that height he was happy, smaller and he would just grind to a halt, but he never put his head down to look at the fence he had stopped at. I think it disappeared out his view and he just pulled up. Put it over 3 foot and he'd jump as happy as larry! He also only spooked at signs above that level, never looked at road markings or temp signs on ground just ones on posts! Was a little odd! Came across another that only sppoked at things he saw from his blue eye but wouldn't notice them out of the brown one.
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Post by mandal on Jan 1, 2009 16:55:02 GMT 1
Magnesium deficiency?? and/or other mineral/vitamin imbalance or deficiency.
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Post by mags on Jan 1, 2009 16:56:39 GMT 1
Thats exacty it! he just stares and you cant shift his attention back. Last time with the vet I did 5 minutes moving his feet around first before I took him down and he didnt do it once. Just one small jump Dan would have done too. And since that day with just 5 minutes he has felt like he is going to be quite easy.
One problem though. He is more focused on looking to me now instead of freaking out by him self. But I now often have to hold his feed bucket for him so he can confidently eat while I keep an eye on things for him lol
ETA i had been leaving him to settle but not sure that is the best thing now?After there was a noticable change after a very small amount of groundwork
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Post by Lulu on Jan 1, 2009 17:19:05 GMT 1
I had one horse back in 1990. He was lovely on the ground, but had a few issues. He would play up if lunged on left rein and nap and stuff, but was fine on right rein. Would have a nice ride on him, then suddenly he'd switch over to being stressy, twice bolted from a relaxed walk on long rein towards home, and when I did manage to stop him, I'd have to get off him and walk him home, and he'd be grinding his teeth and looking very upset. Whenever I got off him and untacked him after any episodes, he'd look very withdrawn and hold his head low but grinding gently. Teeth were checked, back checked, saddle checked, vet said it was all in my head and the horse was fine, and I needed to lose weight !!!. Still the jeykll-and-hyde episodes continued. Last straw was when he refused to walk home (despite being 3mins walk from home) and he bolted, I stopped him at the gate to his feild, and made him stand there, then I was going to get off. He shot off again, and ignored me, and squeezed himself between a 6ft deep dyke with sharp banks, and his field fence, till a big oak tree blocked his way. With no way out, he could only turn round if he backed down the dyke (and I was worried I would unbalance him if he tried with me on) I jumped over the fence and left him there, and went to climb through to get him and lead him out. He shot off again (having heard his feild mate on the road nearby) and luckily my friend on his field mate caught him, and brought him home again. I sold him to a horse whisperer fully telling them all about him. They've since found his problem. He had an aneurysm behind his left ear, and they've declared him unrideable for that reason. SO I was very lucky with hindsight that he didn't drop dead when ridden. It explained everything, looking back, he wouldn't lunge on the left rein, was very sensitive to poll pressure on the left side behind ear (where aneurysm was), and explained his episodes when he would switch from a calm animal to one that just wanted to get home and be left alone to sulk. Took him to a show once and he totally freaked out and reared up and spun round to get out of the ring, and almost landed on a little child (Horror) on her pony, so I got thrown out understandably. My parents told me the local people at the show were muttering I should get a big fat crop to him and beat the hide out of him. I knew something was wrong, so I never punished him for his episodes, and over time he learnt to trust humans again, but still had his episodes, but didn't shout as loud. I agree that some of us get certain horses sent to us for a reason. He taught me there is more than meets the eye to things you know !! Not saying this is whats happening in your case. But thats what happened to ME. I can only think it must be like having a migraine or severe headache, you certainly wouldn't want to be ridden when your head is thumping bad !! He'd give himself a headache if he got too aeriated about something and upped his blood pressure LOL Looks like I killed this thread now LOL
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Post by peppertop on Jan 1, 2009 19:19:17 GMT 1
No not at all Lulu, I am always fasinated to hear stories like yours. I am a little sick I know!but it all is knowledge you never know when you might need, like you say they all come to you for a reason and we learn so much from each one if we stop to listen. I always tell my clients that the horse will alawys be their greatest teacher never a person, l they have to do is let the horse teach them! We had a pony once that bucked for England but only intermitently. Back checked, vet gave him all clear. In the end he was turned out as a companion as he would never be reliably safe to ride. A while later he was found in the field with a broken pelvis and put to sleep. There was no sign of a fall or him messing around and this pony was built like a tank. I don't believe in coincidences and I think pony had got something wrong all of that time. Maybe a bone scan would have shown it up but whos going to pay for one of those with no lameness or other signs. This is the reason I always work to find out the cause of the problem and never just to stop the unwanted behaviour.
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Post by peppertop on Jan 1, 2009 19:23:10 GMT 1
I would work him Mags, I think leaving him to deal with life the way he is will just carry on with whats been working for him so far. You need to get in his brain to get him to change. Sorry about the spelling on the above, I typed quickly!
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Post by cuffey on Jan 1, 2009 19:34:39 GMT 1
Appreciate this thread is about geldings but dont forget mares with pain/cramping in oestress
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Post by laura on Jan 1, 2009 19:55:48 GMT 1
cuffey I was just about to put up a bit about mares as OP did say general physical stuff as well Sinces Taz's problems with her ovaries it taught me to look beyond even the usual "mareishness" and it reinforced to my vet that sometimes the owner knows best that something is wrong even if its just showing up as behavioural issues and not fitting the standard symptoms. After many months of intermittant but serious behavioural problems Taz was eventually scanned and a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge lump on ovary found. Thought it was a tumour for quite a while but it turned out to be repeated persitant follicles ... big ones !!!! Sorted now tho
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Post by peppertop on Jan 1, 2009 20:22:55 GMT 1
Ah yes I forgot about mares, how could I, they are my favourite! I worked with a lovely hunt mare for years always great to do. She started to be a little manic to ride, just a bit more speedy than normal, also would gently start to shake every time she saw saddle. Never moved to stop you putting it on or anything. Because it was odd for her owner had her looked at and she has a big problem with her ovaries, can't remember what it was called. She ended up having to have them removed. Totally back to normal and 10 years later still is. Wierdly my mare now is lovely when in season! Normally a proper bossy madam, rest of my horses are terrified of her, but when in season she is really mellow!
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Post by mags on Jan 2, 2009 2:05:12 GMT 1
I know they all have taught me to keep searching for the problem as not one yet has just been that way out! I am a firm believer that horses are engery efficient and will always look for the easy option, so if they start putting lots of effort into not doing something or objecting theres always a pretty good reason. Unless they are welsh and sometimes they just do it cause they can!! Only joking welsh fans! Id love to see more general emphasis on finding the problem I dont think any of the training methods you see focus enough on it. Lulu thats very scary, think adding aneurysm to the list will freak ppl out but its good to remember horses are capable of getting just the same really serious stuff as us
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Post by Lulu on Jan 2, 2009 12:59:11 GMT 1
cuffey I was just about to put up a bit about mares as OP did say general physical stuff as well Sinces Taz's problems with her ovaries it taught me to look beyond even the usual "mareishness" and it reinforced to my vet that sometimes the owner knows best that something is wrong even if its just showing up as behavioural issues and not fitting the standard symptoms. After many months of intermittant but serious behavioural problems Taz was eventually scanned and a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge lump on ovary found. Thought it was a tumour for quite a while but it turned out to be repeated persitant follicles ... big ones !!!! Sorted now tho Was Taz marbled ? Has it stayed in okay then ?
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Post by pinkpony on Jan 2, 2009 15:07:29 GMT 1
I sound like every horse I come across is broke don't I !Well I guess when they come to me its for a reason, so I get many broken ones! I know they all have taught me to keep searching for the problem as not one yet has just been that way out! I am a firm believer that horses are engery efficient and will always look for the easy option, so if they start putting lots of effort into not doing something or objecting theres always a pretty good reason. Unless they are welsh and sometimes they just do it cause they can!! Only joking welsh fans! Bit like me!! But your post about crookedness so rings true. I am crooked (lol, not in a un-lawfull sence) But have treatment from Ostio. I feel it all many areas of my life....esp walking, cycling and riding.
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Post by pinkpony on Jan 2, 2009 15:10:29 GMT 1
Gosh, sorry, me last post didnt really make much sense did it? sorry folks....Being crooked hurts! Esp when trying to do something I dont do alot of, and esp at first when I try something new.
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Post by laura on Jan 2, 2009 17:54:34 GMT 1
indeed she was Lulu ..... and yes it has It was that big would almost certainlay see it if it fell out She has gone back to a "normal" horse now and we can look forward in 2009 with a little bit more hope that plans will come to fruition than we did at the start of 2008
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