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Post by Yann on Dec 19, 2008 1:01:22 GMT 1
I'm sorry to say you're going to be disappointed, it looks like they're only planning to go up to size 3
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Post by maggie555 on Dec 19, 2008 8:05:27 GMT 1
I'm listening with interest. Do any of you Renegade owners know how long the front wall of the boot reaches up the hoof wall? I've had problems with my Epics rubbing the periople because my gelding has fairly short toes (3 1/4") and a long periople. I'm debating whether to try Renegades, but considering how difficult it seems to get a pair, I'm also thinking about waiting for the Easyboot Glove to come out, since you can cut the Gloves down to as low a profile as needed. Has anybody used both Epics and Renegades and could say something about relative profile height?
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Post by Yann on Dec 19, 2008 9:40:19 GMT 1
Yes, I have, I had trouble with Tess in the easyboots with the periple / coronet being rubbed in the quarters, especially if I didn't use pads, no such issues with the Renegades at all.
I don't think they're hard to get hold of any more, the Renegade website has an online shop now and you pay via paypal.
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Post by Susan on Dec 19, 2008 13:29:07 GMT 1
what the easyglove is a renagade product? or did I get it right it is a Easycare product but only up to size 3.. Why do these company think the market it only for tiny feet.. there are lots of us large horse owners unshod..
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Post by Yann on Dec 19, 2008 13:39:44 GMT 1
No, that Easycare are only planning to make them up to size 3... I agree, large feet are definitely the poor relations where boots are concerned. You've got to wonder if size 3 and down is where the main demand is? They did the same with the grips.
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Post by Susan on Dec 19, 2008 17:57:41 GMT 1
NO every mound costs loads.... that is why they limit the size range.. but why start with tiny feet first. timny feet handle unshod easier as less weight per foot ratio..
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Post by kristine on Dec 19, 2008 18:50:56 GMT 1
what the easyglove is a renagade product? or did I get it right it is a Easycare product but only up to size 3.. Why do these company think the market it only for tiny feet.. there are lots of us large horse owners unshod.. Big horses... and big-footed horses... are a rarity over here. Amongst my freinds in this area, I think the biggest footed horse I know is a size two. Mine are all sized 0... I bet they'd make bigger ones if a group of folks requested it. A standard sized saddle horse over here is just runty-footed, I guess
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Post by taklishim on Dec 19, 2008 21:30:26 GMT 1
Susan, only a guess about the size 3 but I think they are working on the endurance market where a size 3 would be a big foot. Most arabs would be a one. I understand that the glove was in fact a by product of a glue on shell which was designed to stay on for multiple day endurance rides. They then got the idea of putting a gaitor on it to create the glove. I suppose the cost of creating a mould and producing the glove in a large size may not be cost effective.
Maggie, I use renegades and epics on the same feet. The renegades are lower. They slope down at the sides whereas the epics are almost higher at the sides where the metal plates are. If I were to use the epics without pads they would touch the periople but the renegades are nowhere near.
There are a couple of things you can do with the epics. Firstly the tongue at the front (part the fittiing is on) can be lowered with a stanley knife in the same way you are proposiing to cut the gloves down. Secondly pads may solve the problem as they lift the feet slightly higher and put the periople just above the boot.
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Post by maggie555 on Dec 20, 2008 10:06:57 GMT 1
Thanks for your comments! My periople rubbing problems are at the toe, not the quarters. First thing I did is cut down the front as far as I could without having the wires slip off the plastic. I've also been using pads, though rather thin ones (6mm comfort pad) and put three layers duct tape over the periople. I'm now experimenting with thicker pads. But it's a hassle, so in the long run I'll probably have to find an alternative.
Back to the Renegades: What about the requirement of a mustang roll on your horse's feet? My trimmer does something of a bevel, but not as big a roll as I've seen with some other trims. Does the Renegade actually have a curve inside where the walls meet the sole, or why do you think the mustang roll is mentioned as a requirement for good fit? Has anybody here had problems fitting the boots because of this? How about replacement parts? I've had gaiters rip for the Epics, and they don't come cheap. For me, those are the "spare parts" I need to replace most often. How does the cushion in the heel captivators of the Renegades hold up? How often do you need to replace the velcro tapes? I've read that they can become "unsticky" pretty quickly. Do the cables fray?
As an aside, I read on the Easyboot page that they are actually producing half sizes for the glove, so it will fit really snug. If they are willing to invest in the extra moulds for that, maybe there's a chance they'd make bigger moulds?
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Post by taklishim on Dec 20, 2008 19:38:56 GMT 1
susan, I have pm'd you a link Pat
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Post by taklishim on Dec 20, 2008 19:58:42 GMT 1
maggie, From long experiece of easycare I would doubt they would produce a larger size in the foresable future. May be wrong of course and you could always e mail Garrett and ask him.
Going back to the renegades I have them on feet with only a slight bevel and no problems. Have had no problems with the heel captivator (which is their equivalent of the gaitor) nor have I had to replace the foam on the heel captivator.
The boots come with 2 spare velcro straps and spare rings. They do become unsticky but youcan clean them just like any velcro. . I think you get a reasonable life from them, I got several months before I changed them. You can replace the bottom velcro with a leather strap, The wires have the capacity to fray but I feel you get a fair amount of use from them. I think I got over 6 months. I would always buy a spare cable or even pair of cables with the original order. If they travel in the original order the postage is probably nothing but if they are sent separately afterwards the postage will be high. I would also buy a spare packet of rings with the original order as well. I think they use a lot less spare parts than the easycare boots. As someone who is having so many breakages with the easycare buckle ups I find the uncomplicated renegades a godsend! HTH
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Post by Yann on Dec 21, 2008 23:01:05 GMT 1
Tess doesn't have enough wall thickness for a proper roll and we have no problems there. Like Taklishim the only bit I've had a problem with are the cables, one of which parted after 9 months out on a long ride. Astonishingly the boot still stayed on in walk all the way home Like I said earlier that was on the original pattern boots, the newer pair I have have much larger holes for the cables to run through and look like they won't have the same issue. I've not really had any real bother with the velcro at all, I thought it would be the weakest link on the boots but it seems to hold up OK.
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Post by easyaspie on Dec 22, 2008 12:23:39 GMT 1
Guys
I stock, fit and sell both the renegades and the easyboots.
depending on what you want to do, and the size of your horses feet! the:
Renegades are the easy to put on and off. Kelly, what specifcially did you mean about the heels?? if you have a horse with really underrun heels I don't think the renegades will suit as the gaitor at the back struggles to reach over the heel bulbs. You can alter this buy buying longer wires and getting a man (or actually someone good with engineering as it really isn't easy) to re-wire to make the wires longer and thus giving you more scope to pull the back strap to the correct place. Also, I think the velcro wears out really quickly as we have lots of wet grass, mud, and slush in the UK so they do tend to come undone when the velcro starts wearing. Also, you can't really pad them which you would want to do for newly transitioning horses.
I can't wait to try a pair of the easy boot gloves, anyone know when they will be available?
I boot all round on hacks out with the Easyboot Grips on Pie (big feet) and just with the Renegades on the fronts on Storm. REally like the Grips... but its fairly exhausting putting them on and off!
BTW: very very stoney with limestone tracks where I live so don't like to hack out without boots.
Jo
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Post by basilhorse on Dec 23, 2008 18:30:40 GMT 1
where are you based/how far would you travel to fit boots easyaspie?
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Post by Kelly Marks on Dec 24, 2008 19:02:04 GMT 1
Wow you Dgers are brilliant! I've just been sent a pair of Renegade boots and they look just they job. What happened with the last boots I tried was they actually rubbed the hair on his heels and created some mud fever which he's never had before. The Renegades feel really soft in that area although I'm going to wait some specialist advice before I actually start using them. Nany thanks. Kelly
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