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Post by sarahfox on Dec 28, 2007 23:09:51 GMT 1
Poor Finn!! You know,this thread demonstrates to me how little any of us know about what is actually going on in our horses mouth when we put a bit in it. Goes back to what I said earlier about the visible scars from serratos,I am absolutely convinced that if we could see the bruising and damage that happens to many horses mouths we would all be thinking far more carefully about what we are using,and also how we are using it.xxx
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Post by Azrael on Dec 28, 2007 23:12:51 GMT 1
YO was kind enough to try our new Dually on my nose.. I'm very glad its not me that has to wear it! But horses all seem quite happy in it apart from the initial 'dammit!' when they find out its not a nice easy to lean on headcollar :meanmummy:
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Post by fin on Dec 28, 2007 23:22:20 GMT 1
Mine's pretty good with the dually--he listens to a lift of the rope even when he's DESPERATE to eat all that forbidden grass he has to walk over so with time you can use it to give very subtle signals. H is still at the 'dammit!' phase The sidepull I've just bought is a gorgeous braided rawhide with a rawhide, rather than a metal core--bit like a bosal rather than a serrato (though there are rawhide nosebands with a metal core, tho not serrated). But it's a lot less fluid than the rope nose of the dually so it'll be interesting to see whether neddy actually responds well to it or not. He was ok in a bosal in terms of stopping but he did find steering slightly confusing, although obviously since he HATES being ridden in a school (poor chap has been drilled at some point and runs to the gate given the opportunity) he isn't as co-opeative as he could be, and it's a bit of a leap of faith to venture out straight onto the main road with a new device As for the nose--I think even those of us with huge honkers are generally pretty noseless compared to the average ned
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Post by pinkpony on Dec 28, 2007 23:43:22 GMT 1
Lol finn....whats a side pull?? Im trying to figure out from your description but.....its late.....
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Post by Cheryl Walmsley on Dec 29, 2007 0:00:32 GMT 1
I'm lucky because sherb goes nicely in his dually most days anyway. I wouldn't say he's ever really bolted with me as such but he's a baby and if he wants to go neither the dually nor his french link will stop him but he wouldn't run straight through things or anything. He might just want a canter at the usual spots and get a bit strong until I let him go but when it's time to stop he does do. If that makes sense? As in, he gets strong before we go but he isn't hard to stop at the other end of the field, or half way down for that matter.
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Post by fin on Dec 29, 2007 0:31:02 GMT 1
Lol finn....whats a side pull?? Im trying to figure out from your description but.....its late..... Um....basically it's a dually! It's a bridle with a noseband with two rings, one to the reins, the other to the chin strap. Here's a pic--although I got rid of this one because it was HUGE--
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Post by bella127 on Dec 29, 2007 0:33:51 GMT 1
Finn, just a quick question (after I've finished drooling over your gorgeous QH.. I'd kill for a QH ha, but I make do with a Welshman that pretends..)! You said you weren't happy with the Western curb - are you planning to/do you already show him Western? I'm not hot on AQHA rules, but I know for WES etc you're fine to use a snaffle if you/him are more comfortable in it. Forgive me for sticking my nose in, but I hear "western" and perk up
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Post by pinkpony on Dec 29, 2007 0:39:08 GMT 1
thanks finn, I like the look of that.
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Post by Azrael on Dec 29, 2007 0:50:27 GMT 1
Finn - is control in a sidepull as good as in a Dually? I'd love to get something that's basically Dually-like but looks like a bridle rather than a halter.
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Post by fin on Dec 29, 2007 0:54:19 GMT 1
Well, the mad QH is insulin resistant and a tad lame ATM, so he hasn't even been ridden for nine months! I don't know what the rules are--he was trained as a reining horse but he HATES it. He's supposed to be good at trail too, so I dunno--we'll see. At the moment if he ever gets sound enough to go out for long walks or carry the shopping back from the village for me, I'll be happy with that I like sidepulls too, pinkpony--hard to get nice ones in the UK but they are much less invasive than a lot of other bitless bridels
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Post by fin on Dec 29, 2007 1:03:26 GMT 1
Finn - is control in a sidepull as good as in a Dually? I'd love to get something that's basically Dually-like but looks like a bridle rather than a halter. Dunno yet--I imagine so, since the dually *is* a sidepull. I haven't really been able to ride in the ones I have now tho since neddy is still not 100%. The only doubt I have abut the rather gorgeous rawhide one I have now is that its a very rigid noseband, so the lack of fluidity may not really convey subtle weight signals to the horse in the way that the rope nosepiece of the dually does, especially since the dually nosepiece isn't fixed and has a good few inches of 'slide' which can be lifted and moved about to indicate an open rein etc (which my ned seems to understand). So we'll have to see what he makes of it, and whether I can train him to get the hang of it
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Post by Ryan&Dizzy on Dec 29, 2007 1:04:32 GMT 1
ooooo finn where did you find that beauty? i was just discussing the only problem with the duallys is that you look like a bit of a retard that forget to put a bridle on! lol
im affraid im at a BHS college and will be using there school to school dizzy and im dreading turning up in a strange looking headcollar they would laugh me away.
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Post by gem on Dec 29, 2007 12:50:35 GMT 1
Oh Emily I would have found that rude too...and I also thought SF ha ha sorry sarah - But look at how positive this thread is, not only are you well liked but you have inspired a nice reasoned discussion I always used a waterford gag when out on grass with bear because it was the same mouthpiece as the one we used in schooling but with breaks for when we got excited, I tried the snaffle and ended up jumping a huge hedge as I had no where else to go Im not ashamed at all of the fact I did that - I think as long as people think about why they are doing things/using certain bits then people should be supported - it isnt as if you thought...gags are in fashion is it? Finn I like the sidepull that looks a good idea!
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Post by arabheaven on Dec 29, 2007 13:08:25 GMT 1
i have always ridden every horse (youngsters, eventers, point to pointers etc.,) in loose ring snaffles so can't comment on any other bit.
all i will say is;
a bit is only as harsh as the hands it is used in.
i would much rather see a good, balanced rider riding well in a pelham or whatever than having to use more force in a snaffle.
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Post by numbat on Dec 29, 2007 14:09:27 GMT 1
Yeah but, isn't the whole point of the leverage bits like the Dutch gag, well, the leverage? So if someone's using only a slight amount of pressure in the hand, and thinking how much lighter they're able to be than in their old snaffle, doesn't that translate into a good deal more pressure on the horse?
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