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Post by fin on Dec 29, 2007 19:44:41 GMT 1
Personally I can't stand those calendars with the topless women in them - very sexist. Annabelle - high on Beechams Extra Strength Cold & Flu ;D ... tyres are pretty good though! Lol, I've used the tyres too--very nice and sticky. Can't say I've ever had the urge to acquire one of THOSE calendars tho, although I'm told the photography is usually very good Bad things about Parelli......um, well, I still think the marketing is rubbish. Any company that creates the impression that it exists solely to rip people off is craap at marketing Also, attempting to 're-brand' the rope halter, the schooling whip, the long line, and riding in a rope halter with a mecate as a Parelli thing.....I mean, yes, making merchandise available to people who are too clueless to go look on ebay for something, fair enough, but they did nothing to counter the perception that they were vastly over-charging for basically cheap and easily available products. I Paid NINE DOLLARS for a rope halter for H, and 14 dollars for a 22ft line (and they're fabulous quality too). So, what do the Parelli ones offer that mine doesn't? They need a reason for that, otherwise they'll alienate people and potential customers too Increasing levels of force....that's not so good, at least since it encouraged the clueless to do the touch-poke-shove-thwack thing and thereby allowed the rest of us to get totally the wrong idea about increasing pressure.... Mainly though I don't think they've done enough to address the 'bad image' they seem to have acquired. Somebody somewhere really needed to click onto the idea that you can't market to the British in the same way you can to the US. Oh, and when I first looked at the level 1 pack--when the Savvy club was still going--there's no way I'd have ever passed level 1 since vaulting onto a horse bareback? Ha ha ha. I suppose it's fine if you're young and lithe but for those of us who may have disabilities or damaged joints, then there wasn't an exemption that I could see....Don't know if there is now. I might have given the entire level 1 thing a go anyway had the Savvy club continued, since 12 quid a month for a year wasn't too intimidating a prospect, but they stopped doing it before I had chance to sign up. So I guess that was a bad move too
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Post by arabmania on Dec 29, 2007 19:50:19 GMT 1
I absolutely detest parelli rubbish but am not going to get into it on here!
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Dec 29, 2007 19:54:03 GMT 1
Couldn't agree more Arabmania. Mind numbing rubbish, causing mind numbed horses
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Post by lindaandrascal on Dec 29, 2007 19:54:09 GMT 1
I went to a demo when it first came over here but i didn't like it. I agree with whoever said about that awful womans hat and voice, goes right through me and its usually saying something that is soooooooooo boring! Its expensive, its too rigid and it has led to people hitting horses thinking they are doing it right. Its defiantly NOT intelligent People who don't know often think Parelli and Monty Roberts do the same thing, while i say not at all! The bloke we bought Red off had some woman there who said she knew all about parelli and training horses, she hit him with what i suspect was one of those carrot sticks, and was promptly told she wasn't buying Red! Then when we turn up saying we were going to the Monty Roberts demo at Rodbaston he said he wasn't impressed with all this IH stuff and told us about Red being hit.
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Post by Ann NF on Dec 29, 2007 19:58:49 GMT 1
Too much telling. Not enough listening.
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Post by cokey on Dec 29, 2007 20:00:53 GMT 1
Erm, just so's you know.... vaulting on bareback was never a L1 task.. It's L3..!
OK - My gripes then - in the interest of fairness lol!!
I'd agree about the price of the equipment being too high, but I do have my first ever parelli halter and it still looks like new, where as the cheaper ones that I've bought seem to get knackered way quicker... Still - it's very expensive when you first start out.
I also am not a huge fan of the large clip and have invested in a clipless rope to that end.
I don't like the fact that I volunteered at the PNH show last year, and despite assurances to the contrary, got to see next to nothing of the actual show... grrrrrrrr......
I don't like the fact that it's very easy to get stuck in L1. I know someone who was there for 4 years..... yep, 4 years.... Despite the repeated exhortations of P&L and every instructor and student that I've met, people STILL do it and STILL bore their horses to tears. Sadly, this is human nature sometimes. It's like the people who will do the same schooling year in year out and get nowhere.... Just because you're practicing, doesn't make you better if you're practicing badly!!!
I don't like the marketing machine, but I do understand that PNH is a business, and as such is probably doing what it's supposed to do - make money. I do know that P&L live "above the shop" and aren't exactly in the lap of luxury though.
I used to find the americanisms very hard, but you sort of get used to it. Also the cliches DO help you remember stuff, irritating as they may be!
I'm sure there are more...
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Post by Yann on Dec 29, 2007 20:38:06 GMT 1
Pat P can't do maths. A 22' line is not twice as long as a 12ft one
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Post by dingbat on Dec 29, 2007 20:44:45 GMT 1
vaulting onto a horse bareback?! i used to but doubt i could now. too old and inflexible!
ohh, where do u get a long line from for 14 dollars?
i noticed the prices. i do have an expensive good quality (non parelli) rope halter but it came with a rope and i liked it! (they had cheaper not so made ones). but i noticed parelli charges a lot for what is standard western type equipment. whilst i am at it - a lot of western equipment is twice the price over here than in the US!
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Post by cokey on Dec 29, 2007 20:45:00 GMT 1
Nor is a 45' twice as long as a 22'.....
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 29, 2007 20:47:32 GMT 1
Blimey!! WELL DONE COKEY!!! I am dead impressed! SS3 and arabmania,go on! this thread is without tin hats or consequences!lol!
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Post by heather on Dec 29, 2007 20:49:31 GMT 1
Latest DVD in which he says that he wouldn't make a horse do more than 100 to 200 circuits of the round corall without changing direction. How many???!!! Latest DVD in which he clearly hits a horse that hesitates for a millisecond and then says "Did I get him; "darn" right I did" Latest DVD in which he says that it is a waste of time taking a bucket of water to a wild horse that has already got half a bucket of water - you want them making sucking faces out of the bars..... Latest DVD in which he promotes Imprinting - he's apparently working on 4th generation imprinted horses. The way that he seems to expect unquestioning obedience off humans and horses; the horses I have met that have been Parellied might be able to do the seven games but they have missed the point altogether. To me groundwork is about asking the horse to accept you as a leader not about putting the horse on cues so that it can go to sleep inbetween. Mind numbing. Some of the Parelli people I have met have forgotten everything they know about common sense/ horse sense horsemanship and can't find their way back there. The local Parelli instructor who went to see two New Forest ponies to halter train them, didn't ask the owner how far she had got, lassoed them in a steep field where they fled through electric fencing and then fastened the other end around a tree to stop the foal running. He had put the rope around the foal's tummy not it's neck and it ended up screaming upside down in a ditch. (As recommended by a local vet). Shall I stop now?? I havent seen the latest DVD's, but have seen enough from H and C TV and Sarah's above review, to know that I am probably better staying out of this thread,- am getting into enough hot water on my own forum, for my views on the riding!!- but if this is what is going on, then I'm with you SarahW, I had better stop now. Heather
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Post by melissa on Dec 29, 2007 20:58:03 GMT 1
Blimey I didn't realise it was as bad as this...sounds absolutely terrible from what Sarahw has posted! Vile.
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Post by fin on Dec 29, 2007 21:06:03 GMT 1
Erm, just so's you know.... vaulting on bareback was never a L1 task.. It's L3..! Lol, are you sure it wasn't L1 a while ago? It was a long time ago tho so I probably am wrong, but I can definately remember thinking that I'd never even pass the first assessment since tho I could do all the putting the bridle on while sitting down things etc, there's no way I'd ever manage the bareback vault (or at least, it would take a disproportionate amount of effort and practice that just wouldn't be useful to me). ;D
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Post by butterfly on Dec 29, 2007 21:43:06 GMT 1
Must have been the old one finn cos the savvy club is still going. I only know cos I have a friend that is a member.
She gets a newletter that sometimes has useful stuff in it. A monthly DVD that sometimes has useful stuff in it.
The worst thing about being a member (for her I mean) is actually admitting it.
Shuffelling off to cancel my membership now!!!! (hers I mean)
I went to the conference and enjoyed it. Hated the commercial stuff and didnt like some of the people doing the demos ... there were some robots in there.
The funny thing though was Pats horse wasnt a robot. Caspar did look a little lame to me and the mare had cysitis.
It started off a good thing but now it is all about money. Not good!!! I think Pat will have bad dreams already. And that woman of his ... well I hate her hat too. My kids laugh at it when my friend is watching her dvd's.
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Post by dingbat on Dec 29, 2007 22:09:03 GMT 1
i have looked on the website and cant believe the prices of the horse courses, equipment and DVDs!
shocking.
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