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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 28, 2007 19:07:11 GMT 1
Pure Irish Draught to a full TB - either way. Your mare is by a TB out of a mare (Powerswood Purple RID, Silvercross AID) who is effectively pure ID and would be eligible for grading as RID (does her passport indicate she was graded??) The AID mare Silvercross was by Pride of Toames out of an 'unknown' dam - but she passed inspection as of suitable 'type' to breed pure. Your mare IS a nice type, although a bit lacking in neck and shoulder and a bit long in the back - so I would definitely be looking at a compact RID stallion with a VERY good shoulder and neck for her. Going to a TB would not necessarily give you what you want - particularly by way of an improvement in temperament.
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Post by june on Dec 28, 2007 19:24:54 GMT 1
Mine's an Irish Sports Horse x PRE. Her dam was bay and her sire grey. Temperamentwise etc she is very bright with big paces - when she puts her mind to it - but also very comfortable to ride. She has masses of power behind and, although she's very green, she showing signs that she'll find collected work relatively easy. She's a little unfit and fat in that photo!
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 28, 2007 19:26:02 GMT 1
Janet, SS3, shall we be brave and work out what it costs us to breed foals? I always try to ignore the facts......
The stud fee for non TBs is usually the least cost.
This is my first attempt at listing expenses, so add in please.....
If your mare is going to stud, you'll probably have to have flu vax - in my case this is an extra cost, as I have decided not to vax my breeding mares.
Pre covering swabs - lab fees around £100, vet fees depend on vet Transport to stud - my worst was £600 EACH WAY to get 2 mares to Devon and back Vet fees for scanning etc - at least £300 and that's if everything is normal. Again, depends on vet, good equine vets are cheaper than general practice, they have all the kit, are more geared up for repro and will often do a fixed fee package. Stud livery - at least £4 per day for grass livery Stud groom fee/bonus allow £50 - I have decided that AI at a local AI centre is actually better value now it is available locally - wasn't when I first started breeding. Additional feed for mare - again depends on mare Post natal check, usually visit plus exam - around £60 Foal registration, DNA testing etc, at least another £200
You can't usually insure a foal until it is 30 days old either.
First cross is when you put one pure breed to another, like TB x ID. Second cross is when you put a first cross, say TB/ID to something else - you'll be breeding second cross.
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Post by indibindi on Dec 28, 2007 19:26:15 GMT 1
beautiful June! that looks a good cross.
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Post by jen1 on Dec 28, 2007 19:37:19 GMT 1
i personally if i wanted chunkier go for something like a ID, OR ID X, Ive found warmbloods a bit of a gamble fleur and tom have the same dam &sire, fleur has all the pressance and good length of rien,but lacks relly good flat bone, (not that im particually bothered) but i would have liked to take her to some good shows sometime, tom has all the good bone and pretty good confo but lacks length of rien, but then he is only 6 months old and it could change, but comparing my babies he definatly has the shorter neck,, i think he has pressance,if you were looking at a tb, id would be looking for a good old fashioned stamp of tb, deep and round and pretty much everthing ss3 says regarding tb's
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Post by jen1 on Dec 28, 2007 19:39:53 GMT 1
oo june i like your mare, very much my cup of tea,
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 28, 2007 19:50:43 GMT 1
Janet, SS3, shall we be brave and work out what it costs us to breed foals? Let's not! Someone once said to me - it's alright for YOU - you don't have to pay a stud fee! No - just buy the stallion - and if he 'lasts' for 10 years from purchase, that's about £1,500 a year at basic interest on capital; Keep him - which even at home I estimate costs me £5,000 a year if he has no exceptional vet's bills. This year he had 14 outside mares (his best yet) at an average of £250 per mare (concessions for RID mares/2 mares from one owner etc.) and 10 of mine - and yes, I saved a bit on not sending mares away - so he probably ALMOST covered his keep! I usually manage to group mares up for scanning so visit costs are shared between mine and visiting mares - so each scan costs me around £25 - some have only 4 - some as many as 12. The 'easy' mares don't cost much more - but it just needs a mare to need a washout and a few drugs and you add another`£120. And as for retained placentas - one mare cost me £400 for THAT this year. Then the foal who had Neonatal Maladjustment Syndrome - another £500 odd to keep HIM alive! I don't have post-natal checks unless there's a problem - like 2 mares this year with retained placentas, one with a post foaling infection that needed 2 washouts plus antibiotics. Foal registrations aren't that dear for IDs - DNA testing is subsidised at £15, £40 for registration, £10 for the vet to take DNA sample, another £20 to do the ID document and certify - it only gets expensive when you get to grading as there has to be ANOTHER ID document done by the vet, the inspection fee (£40) and - if they pass - they then have to be fully vetted (I get a 'job lot' on vettings at about £120 each.) And people expect you to sell a nice weanling for £1500!
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Dec 28, 2007 19:51:40 GMT 1
Good grief Sue-----------------I'm not going there If I did I'd never breed again, I've wasted around 3 to 4 thousand pounds already, NOT getting Boo in foal for the last 2 years
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Dec 28, 2007 20:00:07 GMT 1
I have to say though, I have never so far, had to sell a weanling for under £4000 Janet, and I don't breed as many as you, so that helps. Mind you, I usually keep them until they are rising 4
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 28, 2007 22:20:33 GMT 1
My worst ever cost was with my two best foals, they cost me around £4K each to breed, and then one died at 8 months. Apart from the horrendous transport cost, nothing was particularly expensive in itself, the stud fee was £600 plus VAT, but they were at stud for ages, one mare needed washouts and repeated scans, and then I left them until the 40 day scan because of the journey time, didn't want to risk a slip. Someone on Heather's forum couldn't believe it cost so much - but I still can't bear to add the cost of them up properly - did that year's accounts in a daze of tears, as I had lost a mare that year too. I have sold my weanlings for 2K, but it's not enough, especially given the quality of the animals I breed.
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Post by varkie on Dec 28, 2007 22:24:38 GMT 1
I think I worked out the other day that including stud fees, livery, vets fees (had four scans & course of regumate & now EHV jabs) etc, that I have probably spent about £1000 so far on getting Tia in foal. And she's only 7.5 months! God knows by the time foal is on the floor, and I hate to think by time it's a weanling!!! Far too scary, and definitely not something to admit to OH!!!
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 28, 2007 22:43:52 GMT 1
Far too scary, and definitely not something to admit to OH!!! Yes!
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Post by suzieq on Dec 28, 2007 22:52:50 GMT 1
My OH was very very understanding and I was straight up with him and priced it all up at over £3k, it has easily cost that! My mare is 6months in foal and I feel sick thinking about what could go wrong as I have put blood, tears and cold hard dosh into this breeding! Quick someone tell me it'll be ok or maybe SS3 you'd like a little araby baby arriving at your place!!
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 28, 2007 22:58:53 GMT 1
Quick someone tell me it'll be ok or maybe SS3 you'd like a little araby baby arriving at your place!! It will probably be OK. 80 - 90 % are. BUT, if you do get any post natal complications, you can easily add another 1K to the cost.
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Post by indibindi on Dec 28, 2007 23:06:34 GMT 1
This is what puts me off breeding again - don't want to push my luck.
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