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Post by jennyb on Jun 26, 2007 16:34:42 GMT 1
You're probably right, people seem to be more aware of it lately than a few years ago. That's not a bad thing though, I think it's a very good teaching method, but then I am biased I know what you mean about fads - I think the problem comes when people choose one method as being the answer to everything and stop looking at everything else, and mistakenly believe that one method will suit every rider & horse. I hope I don't come across as that fanatical! I personally like to find out about lots of things, that's why I have a busy September planned! I'm going on LisaP's Francois Lemaire du Ruffieu course (he's ex Cadre Noir) in early Sept for two days, then I'm hoping to be able to take my lad to Heather's Lincs demo so that we can be guinea pigs and learn a bit about what she does with EE. I'm also booked in for lessons with Andrew Day (TTT trainer) locally soon. I don't like to stagnate, you never stop learning with horses and I love the learning process, I see it as a journey and I'm certainly not ready to stop yet!
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 26, 2007 17:22:46 GMT 1
"Older than this CR thing..." - ouch!!! Sally Swift (founder of CR) is well into her 90s, has been around a lot longer than any of us on this board! That's all very well, but the first edition of the book was not published in this country until 31st December 1985, effectively 1986. I'd been teaching for nearly 10 years by then. Mary Wanless had "Ride With Your Mind" first published in 1987. So when we say "I pre-date" we don't mean "I was born before", or even before that person had the idea, but before those ideas were easily accessible to the general riding public. There is a theory that the current culture will dictate the ideas people get (oh dear, I am beginning to sound like Derek ) and so that the same ideas will emerge simultaneously and uniquely from different people. It is not plaguarism, more a cultural evolution that makes the time right for the emergence of such ideas. In a different life , I knew a lot of people involved in leading edge computer development. The older and wiser of them said, "Don't expect to see these technologies around for 10 to 20 years." And they were right. I think it is the same with "new" ideas, there is a time lag between the emergence and the adoption.
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 26, 2007 19:12:15 GMT 1
suewhitmore said: Oh dear ? Derek
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Post by rhillahorse on Jun 26, 2007 20:06:00 GMT 1
Sue - if you are ever in Staffordshire please come and give me a lesson! Lucky children to have you teaching them properly right from the start!
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Post by jennyb on Jun 26, 2007 23:06:44 GMT 1
"And of course, Classical Riding, which is what CR aims to teach, has been around a lot longer than any of us on this board!" Yes Sue, that's why I added this bit! I think any system which aims to make the classical principles more understandable and accessible to more riders is a good thing - be they teachings from you, Heather, Mary Wanless, Sally Swift or whoever. Of course there was good teaching around before CR, EE, RWYM and so on. I was just a bit bemused by the suggestion that it was a fad - classical riding must be the longest running fad going if that's the case!
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 26, 2007 23:38:08 GMT 1
"Let me take you down, 'cause I'm going to Strawberry Fields. Nothing is real and nothing to get hung about. Strawberry Fields forever". Beatles 1967 "Enlightenment says the world is nothing Nothing but a dream, everything's an illusion And nothing is real" - Van Morrison 1990 I knew I'd heard that philosophy somewhere before...... Need one of those psychedelic smilies ;D PS My definition of enlightenment "State attained when mind is cleared of all rational thought"
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 26, 2007 23:51:18 GMT 1
Hi Sue, Do you reckon that brand of philosophy's been around as along as classical riding? lol ;D "There is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so..." Will Shakespear (Hamlet)Derek
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 26, 2007 23:54:45 GMT 1
suewhitmore said: Better nip over to Heather's. They've got some crackers over there! My personal favourite is the "banging my head against a brick wall". Hey, mods! Can't we have some of those too? Please!!! Derek ;D ;D
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 27, 2007 0:02:23 GMT 1
Do you reckon that brand of philosophy's been around as along as classical riding? lol ;D Oh no, *much* longer - for as long as men have been able to formulate thoughts, there will always have been *one* nihilist in every cave...
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 27, 2007 0:03:14 GMT 1
And why I'm encouraging you I do not know.
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 27, 2007 0:08:13 GMT 1
Well, hopefully not so I follow in Socrates' footsteps... Derek PS: I met someone actually named Socrates last year. A really, really nice guy...! Did ask a lot of questions, though! lol ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 27, 2007 0:17:18 GMT 1
Me, a nihilist?
ni·hil·ism(n-lzm, n-) n. 1. Philosophy a. An extreme form of skepticism that denies all existence. b. A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. 2. Rejection of all distinctions in moral or religious value and a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief. 3. The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement. 4. also Nihilism A diffuse, revolutionary movement of mid 19th-century Russia that scorned authority and tradition and believed in reason, materialism, and radical change in society and government through terrorism and assassination. 5. Psychiatry A delusion, experienced in some mental disorders, that the world or one's mind, body, or self does not exist.
Naaaah, much too extreme for me!
Just trying to encourage everyone to think for themselves...
Derek
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 27, 2007 0:22:17 GMT 1
Extremes set the parameters for normality
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Post by suewhitmore on Jun 27, 2007 0:23:32 GMT 1
There I go again, encouraging you, it's late but I'm not even drunk
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Post by Derek Clark on Jun 27, 2007 0:26:23 GMT 1
No answer to that one!
;D ;D ;D
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