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Post by gillmcg on Jul 17, 2007 10:05:51 GMT 1
That's why Le Fun isn't on the urgent list yet Gem - he'll want to get a bit more weight on her before she goes as he gets paid by the kilo! Trouble is, as she's at the bottom of the ladder she probably uses a lot of energy just trying to stay out of trouble in the herd. Just to inject a bit of stark realism here - the logistics of getting any of these horses across the channel are a tad too complicated, and probably too expensive and, it seems, doomed to failure and disappointment. The way it's looking at the moment there are probably 6 horses that are being rehomed within France - the young percheron (the breton, gelding and donkey are already safe) and I've just heard that someone else we know is taking two pony mares this week - she has space on a lorry travelling south, which is obviously no good for you guys in the UK but Trina is doing her best to find homes for a few more locally. I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention that this trade is on-going in Europe - as Lucy says there are truckloads of horses being imported from eastern europe too. It was a long shot that anyone in the UK could actually rehome them. If you can help EMW and the ILPH campaign to get this stopped or tightly regulated on transport regs then please use your energies to do that - keeping the pics of these beautiful horses in your mind is a great motivator. I can't get that photo of the proud spanish stallion out of my head.....
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star13
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Post by star13 on Jul 17, 2007 10:20:49 GMT 1
How do I go about bringing a mare and foal back?
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Post by hettie on Jul 17, 2007 10:31:27 GMT 1
Im trying to find out all the info about bringing a pregnant mare over. I have found out they dont need passports so thats good. Just trying to find out a cheap but good transporter, this seems to be the stumbling ground. Lucy is going to try and get a quote from a French one for me.
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Post by star13 on Jul 17, 2007 10:34:32 GMT 1
Perhaps if there were a couple of us it may be cheaper?? I would love to take the coloured foal and mum obviously. xx
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Post by Roz on Jul 17, 2007 10:38:42 GMT 1
I know also that Poland and Romania are big exporters of horses for meat, I'll never forget the photo of a horse who couldn't get up from the ramp being towed onto a lorry by a Romanian, absolutely horrific. In fact have just found a similar photo, have a look at this article: www.ilph.org/campaigns_details.asp?id=772
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Post by Roz on Jul 17, 2007 10:39:54 GMT 1
Here also are some pretty stark facts about horses going for meat from the ILPH article:
Ten facts about the horsemeat trade:
1. Approximately 100,000 horses per year are currently being transported long-distances live for slaughter within Europe, which is totally unnecessary and inhumane and should be replaced with a carcase only trade.
2. Journey times are excessively long, with horses travelling 1,000’s of miles for days on end only to be slaughtered when they arrive at the destination. Journeys in extreme weather conditions of around 1,380 miles taking three days from Poland to Southern Italy are not uncommon and some are even longer.
3. Proportionately more horses are transported live for slaughter or further fattening than any other meat species, by a very large margin. Research indicates that 46% of the equine trade were transported live for slaughter or further fattening compared to 19.8% of the bovine (cattle) trade, 15.9% of ovine (sheep) trade, 13.3% of poultry trade and 10.3% of pig trade.
4. Due to inhumane conditions during transportation, some serious injuries occur and sadly horses still die in transit.
5. Demand for horse meat is highest in Italy, with 84% of live horses destined for slaughter entering into and moving across EU Member States travelling to Italy (by comparison 7% go to France and 5% to Belgium).
6. The countries supplying the most horse meat are Poland, Romania and Spain, with Lithuania, Belarus and Serbia also being involved in the trade.
7. There are currently no EU regulations about the labelling of horse meat as packaging indicates the location of slaughter, not source. Therefore consumers are unaware of the origin of the meat and are therefore unable to make welfare friendly choices.
8. Although the EU Transport Regulation has been updated this year the key issue remains, as before, that insufficient resources are allocated to enforcement within the Member States. There is evidence that in some Member States enforcement is extremely poor.
9. One of the greatest concerns to the ILPH is inadequate provision of food, water or rest and the fact that there is no overall limit to journey times.
10. There is a general decrease in the trade of horses for meat. Since in 2001 the number of horses transported live for slaughter in the EU has decreased from 165,000 to around 100,000. Do we
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Post by Lucy on Jul 17, 2007 10:40:24 GMT 1
Over the next few days/weeks - and as fast as I can with a priority for any 'firm' offers - I will look at different people who may be prepared to travel horses over to the UK. I know Lynette does it for a living - or I think she does :-) so I've been told - and where nobody can expect her to do it without charging the standard rate but maybe we can talk to her and others with a view to 'last minute filling' of a truck with maybe a slightly lower cost? Does that make sense? If I were travelling 5 horses and 6 spaces, I would consider this. Then, at that point there could be a potential list of 'saviours' and a pick from 'savable' horses? I'm really putting ideas down on paper here rather than anything else. Also there is a very reasonable option for those waiting for transport (between €100 and 150/month, ie between £70 and 100/month). Any ideas and constructive criticism/comments welcome :-)
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Post by Roz on Jul 17, 2007 10:41:48 GMT 1
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Post by Lucy on Jul 17, 2007 10:44:18 GMT 1
Also, if the transporter did this in an official way - really just throwing ideas around, I realise they may not be practical - via EMW or a french charity maybe they could offset some of it against corporate tax? Any legal/fiscal specialists out there who would know if it's an option? Before I start banging on doors suggesting it!! :-) No, truly, just ideas for the moment, and I can get very carried away with 'ideas' I do know they don't all happen and am not putting any pressure on anyone mentioned - lynette and EMW, please know that.
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Post by smonebull on Jul 17, 2007 10:53:26 GMT 1
where abouts are these horses? I know of a transporter that comes from spain via calais on his way to scotland
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Post by carreral4 on Jul 17, 2007 11:02:24 GMT 1
south of france, cant remember the area soz
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star13
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Post by star13 on Jul 17, 2007 11:13:14 GMT 1
Well, please be in contact if you have any replies etc. I'm really very interested. xx
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Post by hettie on Jul 17, 2007 11:13:30 GMT 1
I have had a quote from british transport company of £300 + vat per horse
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Post by amarche on Jul 17, 2007 11:15:58 GMT 1
that's not too bad - where in the Uk is that to though? it's very confusing, I've never imported a horse before, it was a struggle trying to get my boy from Kent to S Wales....... thank you hettie for doing that
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hettie
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Post by hettie on Jul 17, 2007 11:21:27 GMT 1
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