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Post by kerpug on Dec 30, 2007 22:56:03 GMT 1
Milk thistle liquid form for 2.5 litres is about £30 so how does that compare with your prices? Sorry not very good with conversion and wouldn't know where to start!!!! ;D
I'd be interested tho and do you know which is better powder of liquid? So many questions
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Post by fin on Dec 30, 2007 23:01:24 GMT 1
Is milk thistle liquid actually a tincture, ie the powder form steeped in alcohol or vinegar?
I seem to recall that milk thistle is very good at supressing iron intake. This is pretty good for horses actually since most forages are far too high in iron....
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Post by rummi on Dec 30, 2007 23:05:35 GMT 1
generally speaking, herbs in liquid form act more quickly as there are more readily absorbed into the bloodstream. It is often recommended that liquid form are used in an 'emergency' situation when you need quick results, such as when a horse is showing signs of liver problems (obviously under a vets advise!). Powder form has the same overall effect but can take a few days to take effect. The Milk thistle powder I hope to stock has feeding guidelines of 20-30g per day. That would mean that a 900g pack would last 30-45 days, so at £11.99, it would cost between £8-12 per month. Comparing to the liquid form depends on the dosage rate, do you know what the recommended dosage is? ****UPDATE!!*** I've just found this liquid form: www.natural-animal-health.co.uk/cortaflex/Milk_Thistle.htmis that the one you have? Based on 62 days for a larger horse, and if it costs £30, that would work out as £14.52 per month.
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Post by eileen on Dec 31, 2007 0:10:09 GMT 1
Thanks for that Sarah, very interesting, would anyone recommend giving milk thistle as a preventative measure? i have a pony who is quite stiff behind and quite lethargic, i also dont think she has injested any ragwort although i do have some in the paddock but i pull it as soon as i see it. She has had lami though so its diffcult to know if it is that making her seem the way she is, or just the fact she doesnt get any proper exercise? eileen x
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Post by sarahfox on Dec 31, 2007 0:13:10 GMT 1
It may be worth getting her bloods done eileen,its not that expensive compared to many tests and would let you know whether it is liver or possibly arthritis/something else. Quite a few people do feed it as a preventative,usually if there is ragwort around.
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Post by rummi on Dec 31, 2007 0:24:03 GMT 1
Milk thistle can certainly be fed as a preventative measure, just to keep the liver in good condition. they particularly recommend it is given during the spring/summer when grazing is sometimes restricted and they may be more likely to be tempted to eats things that are not good for them!
I suppose it may even be good to give it as a tonic/detox type supplement to help the liver.
I'd certainly 2nd getting some bloods done, at least they'll be able to rule out some things, or point you in the right direction.
Finn - I believe most 'liquid' herbal supplements are a tincture of some sort. The liquid herbal supplements I stock are the 'Equine Herbals' range which are brandy based! Yum!
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Post by kerpug on Dec 31, 2007 17:35:55 GMT 1
Yes Rummi thats the one. I've bookmarked your site too thanks
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 31, 2007 17:41:08 GMT 1
Liver damage is not *just* caused by ragwort poisoning. Uranio's was caused by an untreated infection. If we hadn't brought him home and got him into vet hospital when we did, he probably would have died.
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Post by Vicky&Beenie on Dec 31, 2007 17:41:12 GMT 1
i have a welsh mare who has pink around her eyes and i cant remember what you can use for that? either magnesium or copper? do you sell either?
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Post by rummi on Dec 31, 2007 18:22:20 GMT 1
I'm afraid I am not familiar with the 'pink around the eyes' symptoms. It was be worth a quick ring to your vets to check what this is a sign of....?
However, I do sell magnesium supplements and may well soon be stocking a selenium and copper supplement (possible delivery on 9th Jan.
With all supplements, if you suspect there is a medical problem with your horse, it is best to get veterinary advice first. There are indeed many liver problems that milk thistle cannot help with/cure. However, natural herbal supplements can often work well to reduce the chances of problems or work along side conventional treatment.
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Post by suewhitmore on Dec 31, 2007 19:04:26 GMT 1
I don't think milk thistle will "cure" aything, it is meant to improve liver function, that is, help the healing process. U certainly is fit and well now, altho' I still have trouble keeping weight on him, he's a fussy eater.
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Post by Mariaana on Dec 31, 2007 20:09:40 GMT 1
I use milk thistle on our pony who had laminitis last spring; he went on it in summer and hasn't had any problems and no laminitis since then, although he's been grazing with others. I decided to start on it as his laminitis may have been caused by some type of blood poisoning (similar to the one mares can get after foaling). He was tested for cushings and EMS both were negative. He's not overweight and has never had laminitis before. He was also put on garlic to combat inflammation, and magnesium.
The combination works for him; the silly thing is I daren't leave any of the supplements out as I'm not sure which one works and which one doesn't - but I know the combination of them does!
I buy the human capsules when the suppliers have bogof offers, I have found anything with equine stamp on it doubles the price.
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Post by rummi on Jan 3, 2008 23:36:31 GMT 1
Just to update that I have ordered some Milk Thistle powder from one of my suppliers so I should be listing it some time next week.
(I also hope to stock some MSM powder as well!)
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