Confuggled!
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Post by Confuggled! on Dec 29, 2006 16:35:14 GMT 1
I tried Pernamax but found it made no difference to my boy.. however ill be really interested if you find it does work so please also keep me posted! Im going to browse ebay now JG! Lol.
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 29, 2006 19:13:43 GMT 1
The only difference is in the Riaflex Complete, there's also chondroitin. There's some speculation that chondroitin isn't absorbed by herbivores. Is it the Complete that he's on? Yep, he's on complete. The speculation about chondroitin is fed by manufacturers who don't want the expense of adding it - it is VERY expensive! But there has been enough research done to support its use - and from my experience, I'd say that the results speak for themselves.
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Post by felicia on Dec 29, 2006 19:34:26 GMT 1
Very interesting thread. I feed my stallion Extraflex HA as a preventative and to my daughter's 18 year old Sec D who is stiff if he doesn't have it but I'll give the Riaflex a go when I next order some.
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 29, 2006 20:37:07 GMT 1
Very interesting thread. I feed my stallion Extraflex HA as a preventative and to my daughter's 18 year old Sec D who is stiff if he doesn't have it but I'll give the Riaflex a go when I next order some. I would! I notice that Feedmark is STILL claiming "The highest spec joint supplement available." despite the ASA ruling that required them NOT to make that claim (because it was untrue/misleading.) The chondroitin levels in Extraflex are too low to be of much use at all!
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Post by nich on Dec 30, 2006 19:26:21 GMT 1
I use winning formula which is from the US and has HA in it. Autumn in theory has coffin joint djd but has shown no symptoms since coming back into work after going barefoot. i also had her on vitabute and cider vinegar. I've dropped the vitabute (3 weeks ago) and no drop in performance. So when the winning formula runs out I am going to look for something cheaper - its about £40/month - to see how she goes. How much do top spec 10 10 and riaflex cost?
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Iona
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Post by Iona on Dec 30, 2006 20:17:14 GMT 1
i've been following this thread with interest as blondie has been on a joint supplement for 3 years. i used cortaflex for about 2 years then changed to 5* superflex. i really noticed a difference.
i've just sat here working out price comparisons etc and by the day for a 500kg horse the superflex is 46p per day and the Rialflex complete 70p per day.
but the riaflex does have more MSM and glucosamine per amount fed.
any one else had success with superflex???
i'm looking to put my 10yr old mare who has done lots of jumping in her life on a supplement and was going to go with the superflex, what do you think???
but so far the superflex has done the job for me for my oldie.
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Post by Iona on Dec 30, 2006 20:19:29 GMT 1
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Post by eskimo on Dec 30, 2006 20:30:12 GMT 1
I had my oldie on 5* Superflex for 2 months it really didn't make any noticeable difference to my boy. So i tried Topspec 10:10 which really did make a difference but as i said in the above post i wont be buying it again. I had just purchased Feedmarks Extraflex HA when this thread started otherwise i would of tried Riaflex, i want to try it but i also want to see what happens on the Extraflex HA now as well.
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Post by wendyihts on Dec 30, 2006 21:55:07 GMT 1
I think the concerns about chondroitin are also to do with the non-vegetarian sources (especially if they're from endangered marine sources) not just the cost though. After all, if it's really worth the money compared to using MSM or glucosamine alone, the companies will put it in and just charge more as Riaflex has done. Apart from marine sources, I think the other source of chondroitin is from bovine or porcine tracheas and given the problems we had with BSE from feeding animal proteins to herbivores, my own preference is to stay clear of chondroitin.
But, each to their own.
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Post by Confuggled! on Dec 30, 2006 23:14:31 GMT 1
I have ordered some Riaflex today as i had run out of synequin and it looks promising!! However, keep the thread going as its very informative!
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Post by sundance on Dec 31, 2006 18:52:21 GMT 1
How does the Riaflex compare with Syniquin? I had been using Naf Superflex but changed to Synequin on the vet's advice as it has much more in it, it seems good, but very expensive. My vet is very impressed generally with Synequin, but I won't be able to afford it once the insurance money runs out. I have a friend who was told at a large equine referral centre that all the evidence is anecdotal and we may be better feeding good quality cod liver oil, I shall be down there myself in a couple of weeks and will ask about this myself. I sometimes think that we desperately want these things to work so there may be a bit of wishful thinking which distorts the results, along the lines of, I've paid so much for this stuff it must be working!
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 31, 2006 19:08:00 GMT 1
How does the Riaflex compare with Syniquin? ! My vet always recommended Synequin - until he saw the spec on Riaflex (which is slightly less than half the price!) It's always a bit hard to compare these products - they come in different sized containers, with different dose rates - but he did the maths and calculated that the Riaflex daily dose gave a slightly higher level of the key ingredients than Synequin for a considerably lower cost!
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Post by janetgeorge on Dec 31, 2006 19:17:06 GMT 1
i've just sat here working out price comparisons etc and by the day for a 500kg horse the superflex is 46p per day and the Rialflex complete 70p per day. but the riaflex does have more MSM and glucosamine per amount fed. Yep - the Riaflex has more MSM and glucosamine - but it also has vastly more Chondroitin sulphate (which is the most expensive ingredient.) The amount of Chondroitin in the Superflex is so low as to be not much use (and my vet reckons the Chondroitin is probably the most important ingredient!) If you're going to compare on cost you'd be better comparing Superflex to the Riaflex 50/50 (which still gives you more MSM and glucosamine but no Chondroitin - but the level of Chondroitin in Superflex is so low you can disregard it anyway.)
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Post by nellie on Dec 31, 2006 23:26:13 GMT 1
echo about Riaflex. After a recomendation, my very elderly mare has been on it for over 2 months or so whilst comeing back into full work...........was buggering off up the road sideways in canter with me this morning as normal, as she always has done for the past 20 years when she's been sound.
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